i don't know, do they want, that's a very good question to post the mark wadsworth, because mark, you were the inaugural guest on the first edition. of this program and we flash forward into month two now and the situation that was dire then is catastrophic now, your own recollection? well, listen, what depresses me the most is that we're seeing a slaughter in plain sight, the jewish american scholar, nom chonski said, this is not a war, this is murder. a huge scale, the israeli leadership say that this is not against the palestinian people, it's against hamas, let me remind you, we're democratically elected in gaza in 2005, and yet almost 12,000 civilians, mainly, women, children, elderly people have been massacred by this onslot, one of the most sophisticated, strongest military machines in the world, the israeli defense force, against a quote unquote enemy that has no navy, no army, no anti-aircraft guns, they're defenseless, it is is an grow adult beating up, murdering infant, and this is got to stop, but it's this has been stoked up by politicians in the west, by joe biden, in pa

mark wadsworth, i want to bring you back in there, i know you've been uh, carefully listening in, isople being second-class city. with israel because they understand it better than most, you've heard from the spanish, the the irish are very good on this question because they suffered oppression under the british, and so they are speaking out against these war crimes, against the genoid, and i do believe that there will be a big momentum now to take the... of netanyahu to the international criminal court, you called it the icc, i think we could call it out by name, and you know we're going to see a big pushback against this brutality, against this slaughter, against this massacre, and a call for israel to withdraw back to the pre- june 1967 borders, and end the occupation, end the settlements and end the oppression, because this won't stop at the end of the war, as donald runsfel once said, and he was an american cork, for every palestinian that is killed, 10 more will rise up to fight against the oppression of the people, and that's what's going to happen. indeed, carol, you know, it

exactly what they're supposed to do to make a real difference. back with my guess carl swords and mark wadsworths, it's now overwhelmingly against their genocide and what they're up to. and so we can draw some strength from that, so we shouldn't be depressed and think that it's all one way, but more this goes on, the more they'll become isolated by this behavior, by the occupation by the genocide and what's going on? carol, it seems that there still is when it comes to establishment thinking and establishment politics, the prop. voice is still very much struggling to get any kind of paroty, of course, it's like what the what what the media is keep saying that we're causing trouble, can can i just go back to please feel free to go back as far as you wish, my mom is jewish, she's proud jew, she is very proud jew, her father was jewish, he was come here after the first world war, and they sat up home in england and they was, graciously accepted, my mom married catholic, i was brought up catholic, you know, i had mixed heritage, and i was proud of my mom's family, i was proud of my family, and my mo

they're supposed to do to make a real difference. back with my guest carl swards and mark wadsworth oneard from previous contributors, it's now overwhelmingly against their genocide and what they're up to, and so we can draw some strength from that, so we shouldn't be depressed and think that it's all one way, the more this goes on that more they'll become isolated uh by this behavior, by the occupation, by the genocide and what's going on? carol, it it seems that there still is when it comes to establishment thinking and establishment politics, the pro-palestinian voice is still very much struggling to get any kind of parity, of course, it's like... what the what what the media is keep saying that we're causing trouble. can can i just go back to? please feel free to go back as far as you wish? my mom is jewish, she's proud jew, she is very proud jew. her father was jewish, he was come here after the first world war, and they set up home in england and they was graciously accepted, mama married catholic, i was brought up catholic, you know, i had mixed heritage, and i was proud of my m

carol swords and mark wadsworth is still with me on this edition of gaza, under attack and we were hearing the unra chief there talk about just some of the conditions of those who had to flee with absolutely nothing, the clothes on their back, maybe grabbed the mobile phone. the rocksack if they had time, your assessment of the humanitarian condition? i was fortunate to be in gaza. i was lucky when we went took aid there after castled and i witnessed then the devastation, which is nowhere near the devastation now, and like the toilets, like the irrigation, like having no water, this this is the first thing they go for the israelis because they know that you know. were they going to go toilet because they're inhuman, they they think they're animals, you know, they think they can just do it on the street, this is the the mentality of the zionist regime that they have that much disrespect for people, where is it going to go? who knows? who knows what the end game is for the israelis? we all know that gaza is sitting on an oil bed, we all know that, we all know that um our prime minister's wif