mark zuckerberg didn't get us, didn't even get curious about us. before he created a system he connected billions of people too. he made a mistake by assuming we were all sort of people who hang out with mark zuckerberg, we all went to harvard and silicon valley. if we were that kind of people, even just the harvard people facebook would be fairly usable except for kissinger, we went to kick him out. but it is messier than that, angrier than that, meaner than that and that is what we have seen. >> you mentioned facebook being motivated to bring the temperature down to a fairly intractable problem. for years and years the reputation of purposely being deceitful with their controls and interfaces. i am curious with those data points so you feel like facebook is making a good-faith effort, my intuition -- >> people are shaken up by what is happening. that doesn't mean everybody is shaken up by what is happening or that mark zuckerberg is sick and up by what is happening. i get the sense he is. one of my former graduate students at the university of wi

click, call or visit a store today. >>> is silicon valley tech saving the world using mark zuckerbergmple, pointing out facebook compromised our election and leechd the news business now mark zuckerberg wants to heal our schools, homelessness and diseases we wouldn't let a bank grab that much power it is the subject of a new book out today titled "winners take all the elite cha raid of changing the world." joining us at post nine is the authority, contributor and former "new york times" columnist, anand thank you for joining us today. >> thank you for having me, here of all places. >> strong title for a book tell me what you mean? >> we live in an age that has been abundant the innovations, in great companies, abundant in profits, and yet an age that has been punishing for working and middle-class people. the one thing the majority of americans can agree on is the system feels rigged to them, it feels to most people the they cannot simply study go to school, figure out a job and achieve the american dream the odds of out earning your parents have fallen from 90% born in the '40s to '5

. >> the take at the time as we look at mark zuckerberg and his sitdown is that the lawmakers have a long way to go before they get their hands around how this works it's complicated stuff i do think there are people in the legislature, congress who understand these issues. senator warner and thune are pretty on top of it. if there's any will to do a basic privacy law, we haven't

trying to recollect i personally think it's disgusting and horrid and horrible that people want mark zuckerberg to shut down facebook pages because i think he has a monopoly on the one of the public squares of our internet age and he should not be allowed. to shut down these page literally favorites but you know exactly what a college about let's say off an outing with twitter so let's talk about the economic situation and what people might be voting on rather than the conspiracy theories because if you know i don't want to go too much into the conspiracy theories m.s.m. b.c. is twenty four seven conspiracy theory you can go there if you want to delve into those but i'm going to look at some of the data that might impact more of the election results coming up in twenty eighteen but most importantly in two thousand and twenty this is a tweet from ryan cooper the average family premium for employer sponsored insurance is up fifty five percent since two thousand and seven average worker contributions up seventy four percent that's what it looks like on the chart since two thousand and seven member

they finally -- finally, i think that they've got to have tougher standards where mark zuckerberg is not responsible for free speech in this country. mark zuckerberg runs a private company where he can say this belongs on my platform and this doesn't. so, yes, i agree, they've got to set higher standards for human behavior there. but keep in mind the scale, zuckerberg said at a developer's conference a few months ago they kill 1 million fake accounts a day. it's not as though you have some humans saying that looks russian -- doesn't happen, right? you've cgot to have rules that run through algorithms, i hate to say, ai. the problem, i agree with the senator, it's human behavior. it's not technology. it's human behavior on technology, especially some small number of manipulators. >> you mentioned info wars. that's an interesting example because right now alex jones faces huge legal pressure from the actually families of the sandy hook survivors that he's defamed. one thing that was not taken down in facebook was the info wars video talking about, accusing robert mueller of being a ped

but i think it's very important when mark zuckerberg goes in front of congress and as we are not a media company, we are a tech company. for that is because they don't want to be involved in this discussion from the communication perspective. stuff. just make they happen to make a platform where we communicate, but that's the focal point. that's where i think we also will get in some discussions of goes on in the court. joe [applause] . our third panelist is chelsea reynolds. she teaches classes on journals meant digital media in the department of communications at cal state fullerton. proud to brag about hiring chelsea on our faculty. she earned a phd in math medication from the university of minnesota and and and they in journalism from the university of missouri. her work has been recognized with numerous awards including the mary della smith award for feminist scholarship. her research investigates media representations of sexuality, gender, race and sexual health. please welcome chelsea reynolds. [applause] thiswill follow up discussion which is primarily focused on hate speech with

remember what facebook ceo mark zuckerberg said back in april. >> there's certain things we do not allowhate speech, anything that makes people feel unsafe in the community. from that perspective, that's what we generally try to refer to what we do as the platforms for all ideas. >> a platform for all ideas. really? over the past few months, facebook and other tech giants have given us ample reasons to doubt that proclamation. the latest example started early yesterday morning when apple pulled several podcasts associated with the controversial alex jones. facebook followed suit, unpublishing four of jones' pages, saying they violated the hate speech policy. youtube suspended the alex jones channel. of course, he's the media's poster child for conspiracy theories. but this isn't about alex jones. this is about freedom and our access from information from the sources we as individuals trust and like. if big tech can control the information flow, then they can also perhaps even influence the outcome of the midterm and even future presidential elections. >> essentially, alex jones has been

facebook, a lot of questions about mark zuckerberg's recently leadership.apa john's and john schnatter. there are other examples. taylor: we are going to look this week at fiat chrysler. we had the late ceo and his relationship with fiat until his sudden death. julie: here's jim ellis. jim: the biggest threat is calming the markets down that he can be the ceo that sergio was. he was a ceo's ceo. he was a world traveler and a guy who was taking care of companies on two sides of the atlantic. he was a guy in the auto business was as close to steve jobs as you could get. he was a person who made outsized projections and surprisingly, in recent years, he has been able to meet them. the notion he could take chrysler, which always ran in the u.s. market, and turn it into something that was a respectable profitable company, was surprising. a lot of people didn't think it could happen simply because european automakers have never been thought of as the most efficient in the world and the best managers in the world. he became a star from that. he took what was not o

mark zuckerberg is facebook, as far as his employees are concerned. probably as far as we should all think of it, he controls the company, he is the founder, inventor. he is the person who is singularly connected to it. it is kind of like a strongman of a small country or something where everyone who works there either really likes him and feels he has taken them this far and is not going to steer them wrong. there is a bit of a disconnect between how zuckerberg is seen internally and externally. julie: all of that works out great until the economy of the strong man's country starts going into recession. we talked to scott galloway of nyu on bloomberg tv and he called it karma. even though the numbers weren't that bad for facebook, that it was sort of this karmic retribution for cambridge analytica, and for some of that what were perceived as misdeeds of the company. is it starting to trickle through to zuckerberg at all? max: you have two things going on. number one, facebook is not as cool as it used to be. you are seeing declines in the u.s. and eu

mark zuckerberg went and met with conservative leaders and i think that is one topic. the other one is the introduction of foreign influence content on social media. speech that incites hatefulness or action against minority -- like alex jones. tech companies are trying to create basic rules and to enforce them. i think everyone rationally should support that. emily: to be clear, preventing foreign interference in your selections is not censorship. it is a crime. there's a spectrum of things happening here. we heard from mark zuckerberg earlier when facebook revealed it had shut down hundreds of account tied to iran and hundreds more. we don't know how many were tied to russia. take a listen to mark zuckerberg. >> it is as important that we focus on building relationships with folks in law enforcement and governments in other companies so that we can exchange information and find threats to build our own capacity to do this in isolation. emily: let's talk about issue one, the tech companies have made it clear they cannot do this by themselves. facebook acted on a tip f

house, which went second, they seemed to have learned from the senators mistakes in questioning mark zuckerberg. even though you are right, zuckerberg did a good job in the hearings, i think it was revealing. may in ways mark zuckerberg did not intend. i felt he dodged a lot of questions and seemed almost embarrassed to explain out loud the business model of facebook to collect user data and sell advertising against a that. to me, that was revealing and i think damaging to his and facebook's reputation. i think sheryl sandberg in particular is a well reversed spokesperson for the company. so, even though he has had more experience going into these tv interviews and other places. you just don't know what happens in congressional hearings. these executives can be as prepared as they possibly could be and you still have these revealing moments coming out of left field. none of these companies want their senior executives to be trotted in front of members of congress who have access to grind. emily: folks we have talked to the google is missing an opportunity by not sending a higher level represent

mark zuckerberg doesn't know what's come it didn't get us, didn't even get curious about us before he created a system that it quickly connect to billions of people too. he made a profound take by assuming we were all the sort of people who hang out with mark zuckerberg. though we all went to prep school and harvard in silicon valley. if we were that kind of people, even just a harvard people to be fairly usable. except for kissinger would like to kick him out. that is not the world. the world is messier than that, anger than not come and meaner than not and that is what we've seen. >> bringing the temperature down to us to fairly impractical problem. facebook for years and years has had the reputation of purposely being deceitful with the control of their interface. i'm curious what those data points they like facebook is making a good faith effort. my intuition would be that they're not making a good-faith effort. >> i've been in the room with a few people who were shaken by what is happening. that doesn't mean everybody there shaken up by what's happening. but i get the sense that

you had a contentious back-and-forth in april with facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg and after that you tweeted "sorry doesn't cut it anymore." given this new development do you believe facebook is doing enough to safeguard our democracy and elections? >> facebook was in denial, it's clear they didn't accept their responsibility to ensure that they dealt with the down side of the internet. they were touting all the good things that happened but there's a dickensian quality to the internet, it's the best and worst simultaneously. now, to their credit facebook is deck kated resources toer if it are out those trying to subvert our election process, that's to their credit but it also is a warning to our country in the words of the 1960's movie, the russians are coming again for our elections and we have to be vigilant but that has to start in the white house with the president of the united states stopping his denial of the reality that this is happening. >> in april when mark zuckerberg did testify before your committee and you had this back and forth, you've talked about the cons

we heard from mark zuckerberg earlier when facebook revealed that it had shut down hundreds of accountied to iran and hundreds more. well an undisclosed number more tied to russia. take a listen to mark zuckerberg had to say on a call with reporters. >> it is as important that we focus on building relationships with folks in law enforcement and governments in other companies so that we can exchange information and find threats, as it is to build our own capacity dan to do this in isolation. emily: let's talk about issue one, the tech companies have made it clear they cannot do this by themselves. in fact, facebook acted on a tip from the cybersecurity company fireeye which led to them discovering these accounts. we are now hearing a report that representatives from facebook , twitter, google, microsoft are all meeting to coordinate in their election meddling strategy. brad: it's long overdue. right? each of these companies see these attacks and they will get together to talk about what they have seen, what they are doing, and whether they should make these kinds of meetings routine. th

remember the exchange that one congress person had with mark zuckerberg when they said how do you operateu don't charge the users zuckerberg said we sell ads. there is a complete lack of understanding of where the business model was. >> the politicians went to school on it, but i do believe the corporations went to school on that as well. >> they learned. >> you will see a lot of -- and the stock prices were affected ahead of this. so you've seen twitter demolished and google not demolished and amazon not demolished and amazon is a different beast and we're not talking about that, facebook, flat they've got the cerebral content that they need in front of these politicians so i think the worst is over, quite frankly >> worst is over >> not for google. >> take a look at basically facebook's multiple here which is the exception and cheap if we can talk about gap versus non-gap and obviously, we're taking a look at what their forward earnings are and the way they report them right now and the company does look cheap which suggests that the bad news is baked in. twitter and alphabet i don't th

coming up, how safe is mark zuckerberg?e will take a look at how much security the facebook ceo really needs. this is bloomberg. ♪ is is bloomberg. ♪ emily: mark zuckerberg's spot in the limelight comes at a cost, $7.33 million to be exact. that's how much facebook spent last year protecting his ceo during his tours across the united states and that his homes. security $10ed the million. is this appropriate for a tech ceo? you have a chart that shows that zuckerberg gets the most for personal security than any other public company ceo. why so much? >> well, there are probably a couple different reasons. for one, he leads a company that is one of the world's biggest and most well-known. he is extremely rich himself. compared with many other ceos, he is fairly open with his private life. he posts pictures from his family and travels on his facebook account. the company has been in a little bit of hot water this spring with regards to its privacy policy and potentially how the platform was used in the run up to the u.s. 2016 e

point in case, just three weeks ago, mark zuckerberg defended keeping info wars on his platform. >> look at the things getting the most distribution. if people flag them as hoaxes we send those to fact checkers. and if they say it is provably false we will significantly reduce the distribution of that content. >> why don't you just say get off our platform? >> as abhorrent as some of the content can be it is the principle of giving people a voice. >> laura: well, right. why did he end up caving here? we'll continue to demand answers for you. >>> remember when disgraced fbi aepgt peter struyk texted about an insurance policy to keep from getting elected? maybe, just maybe, these latest moves are the beginning of big tech's own version of an insurance policy to see that someone with trump's views never reaches a position of authority in government again. and that's the "angle." joining us with reaction, monica crowley, attorney dan gi will -- gillion. it's great to see you all. elizabeth, let's start with you. i watched your campaign ad and you had some images from your parent country of b

how's that for a mark zuckerberg nightmare he or his steam in front of a horde of suits go and sort these russian bots out sort out the fakes sort them out or did i just paint a good picture of the reality web giants of been facing lately in the past election you. we've seen how foreign actors are abusing social media platforms those images that can be attributed or associated with the russian company lack of resources a lack of commitment and a lack of genuine effort the likes of zogby could have proudly said we're just a platform where independent and sorting out what you call fakes is none of our business but when wall street alarm bells are ringing you know how it can happen with the stocks it could be better to zip it and focus on an intense year. see if we stick to be the tough year began with. news feed algorithm the trick was to boost posts with let's say pics of your friends cat and sideline all that politics related media stuff haha they say this lead to less views likes and comments under donald trump's posts move it on facebook has evolved from policing offensive content to po

so facebook and certainly mark zuckerberg appears to be saying and he has said it this is an arms raceically sai we face sophisticated nation states that are always evolving and trying new attacks and we're learning and improving quickly, too, and we're investing heavily to keep people safe, but it does appear that, you know, they are very sophisticated these people who keep morphing their identities and keep, i guess, i'm asking you, are they outwitting the -- the tech platforms? are they outwitting the technicians at facebook, for instance? >> well, if, for example, you go on facebook and use an unauthorized beyonce track or put up a stream of the world cup, your account gets suspended pretty quickly. so clearly, facebook can and does chalamp down on all sorts things and they're putting more resources to finding state actors, but once again, it goes back to how easy they've made this, right? if i can't put on an unare unauthorized beyonce track, but a state actor can buy fake ads as easily as they've done since 2016 and it's good that some portion has been caught and it's good that t

juan: that was indian prime minister narendra modi talking with mark zuckerberg in 2015. professor, could you talk about has had.t that modi 43 million facebook followers? prof. vaidhyanathan: and that does not include whatsapp. that is also owned by facebook and is the most popular messaging service in inindia. it is tremendously important in violenceg mobs for mob , mostly against muslims, but also against christians and muslims who happened to mary and date muslims. this vigilante mob violence is breaking out all over india, it is breaking out in sri lanka. we have seen the massacres and expulsions in me and mark come burma, fueled in by top again to spread on facebook and whatsapp. modi has taken advantage of this. it is a three-part strategy, which i call the authoritarian playbook. use facebook and whatsapp to distribute propaganda about themselveses, f flooding out alf the discussion about what is going on in politics and government. secondly, the use the same propaganda machines very accucurately targeted to underme their opponents and critics publicly. thirdly, t

some would describe it as an embarrassing moment for mark zuckerberg. editor of business insider uk, is with me now. what do you make of the launch of facebook watch? to saint benet have to do, facebook probably feel that doesn't have much of a choice other than be in video. video was a huge business online, they look at youtube and netflix and they have seen those competing companies, which compete with facebook for time and attention, they have seen them gather hundreds of millions of users, taking up a lot of internet time. there is billions of revenue there on facebook wants a piece of that. they have struggled to take off in the united states. we have seen the roll—out in europe and elsewhere. it is a very difficult market to compete in. netflix, amazon and others are so darn popular and they have fantastic original content that we want to watch? yeah, facebook's problem is that it once you to do almost everything on facebook, messaging, posting media, photos, and on and on, and now video. it is like a kitchen sink app where you can do anything. th

so, if you are not willing to tell your friends that you are gay, that is inauthentic to mark zuckerberg'm even if it's because you might be afraid of a terrible consequence or you are not ready, that doesn't matter if the idea is if we got to the planes coming and i'm serious about this, many people believe this if we can get to the point where everyone will just be exposed for who they are because all of a sudden they realize how many people like that are around us. terribly simplistic and naÏve but that is his core belief. he's still pulling onto it and when he gives control over the data is in the most cosmetic w way. whether just my friends have the potential to see it, whether everybody with my mother has the potential that i'm sorry i've done that a few times. [laughter] first of all you have to care about their level of control. not many people do that. but that really doesn't matter. it's an issue that it's not as s crucial as the fact as you share everything with facebook and cambridge analytics as well. hundreds of developers, the people who created mafia wars and words with f

emily: mark zuckerberg took a similar refrain and said security is an arms race. take a listen. >> security is not something you ever fully solve. our adversaries are sophisticated and well-funded. we have to constantly improving to stay ahead. the shift we're made from reactive to proactive detection is a big change. it will make facebook safer for everyone over time. emily: facebook discovered these pages acting on a tip from a cyber security firm and we certainly know they bumbled their response to the 2016 meddling. is china doing this as well? could north korea be doing this as well? could north korea be using facebook and similar actions in other countries? jordan: sure. it's good that we see a different facebook now than we did before 2016. a lot of executives dismissed this idea of fake news as being something that would be relevant. we are seeing a very different facebook. they are being proactive and promoting these efforts. ultimately, it is a really good thing and reminds us these efforts are out there. to your point, there is no reason to believe othe

trying to wriggle out i personally think it's disgusting and horrid and horrible that people want mark zuckerberg to shut down facebook pages because i think he has a monopoly on the one of the public squares of our internet age and he should not be allowed to shut down these page literally by the favorites but exactly political agenda outlets offer nothing with twitter so let's talk about the economic situation and what people might be voting on rather than the conspiracy theories because if you know i don't want to go too much into the conspiracy theories m.s.m. b.c. is twenty four seven conspiracy theory you can go there if you want to delve into those but i'm going to look at some of the data that might impact more of the election results coming up in twenty eighteen but most importantly in two thousand and twenty this is a tweet from ryan cooper the average. family premium for employer sponsored insurance is up fifty five percent since two thousand and seven average worker contributions up seventy four percent that's what it looks like on a chart since two thousand and seven member of two th

mark zuckerberg says his company has shut down more than 650 pages, groups and accounts as part of its ahead of elections in the united states and elsewhere. that's it for the business briefing this hour. up next, newsbriefing. the number of english sites on the national heritage list has reached 400,000 for the first time, with the head office of bike manufacturer raleigh in nottingham to be the latest to be given protected status. it isn't just buildings that are listed though. the catalogue includes battlefields, shipwrecks and landscapes. lizo mzimba has more. the duchess goes on to birmingham to open a new airport which is cost well over £250,000. the building opened almost 80 years ago by the duchess of kent was the original terminal at what was later to become birmingham airportand terminal at what was later to become birmingham airport and has now been given listed status as an outstanding piece of 1930s art deco architecture. the number of listed sites is reached 400,000 in england thanks to the latest additions. the criteria are quite right ranging. architectural merit and qu

trustworthy source of information has of course taken a pounding in recent months, forcing ceo mark zuckerbergapologize before the us senate earlier this year. it is clear now we did not do enough to prevent these tools to be used harm as well, fake news, hate speech, as well as data privacy. we did not take a broad and a few of oui’ did not take a broad and a few of our responsibility and that was a big mistake. and it was my mistake. i am sorry. i started, run and am responsible for facebook. tim mulligan is research director at midia research. good morning. that is a reminder of the last year that facebook has had. a turbulent and a difficult year. what will facebook watch investors make of this news today? if investors have the luxury of thinking ahead to five years, this isa thinking ahead to five years, this is a significant development for facebook as a company. it matters because as you have correctly identified in your introduction, facebook has had a difficult year. cambridge analytica, declining active users, in europe, now the launch of facebook watch, beyond the us, where it has h

of facebook founder mark zuckerberg close associates and author and activist she's committed to advancing women's empowerment also with the french president. was very good and not programmed prejudice whether shopping or researching online algorithms could heavily influence the decisions we make but what happens when programs are sexist is our view of society impacted. if you google the words secretary the search engine calls up stereotypical results . secretaries are almost exclusively women at least according to the algorithm. male. female translation software is no better. professional titles and stereotypes even in finnish gender neutral pronoun he is a babysitter becomes she is a nanny. is a secretary he is the leader he's prejudiced algorithms have huge implications for . for example. women receive more suggestions for lower paying jobs than men in a study by carnegie mellon university. catherine jonell says it's. not only algorithms that are to blame because they are still programmed and fed with information by human algorithms because we train it using the machine learning so eith

mark zuckerberg wrote that the company discovered networks of accounts that were misleading people about who they were and what they were doing. twitter also suspended over two hundred fifty accounts on the similar claims both companies say those uses were tied to russia's military intelligence services or iran state owned media. just a day before the climbdown microsoft reported it seized control of six fake websites created by kremlin link tagged as the software company set the activities targeted u.s. conservatives moscow to the allegations but u.s. senate is on to convinced that you're involved in politics in america at a high level especially if you have views of water that he doesn't like you should expect to be the target of a campaign to access your emails get into your systems divulge information or even falsify information against russian cyber attacks a big worry from the u.s. especially after more alleged meddling in the twenty six thousand election. facebook has been criticized for not doing enough to stop fake news. as new elections approach the company has to prove it coul

facebook says it will provide an additional $10 million a year for mark zuckerberg's personal securityat is your latest bloomberg business flash. caroline: still ahead, pedal to the metal. asla shares rev up short-sellers get left in the dust. second quarter's came in better than feared. is this the start of a tesla turnaround? we will discuss next. this is bloomberg. ♪ live from bloomberg world headquarters in new york, i am vonnie quinn. caroline: live from bloomberg's european headquarters in london, i am caroline hyde and this is bloomberg markets. let's check in with bloomberg's first with kailey leinz in new york. kailey: president trump has received a new letter from the north korean leader following up on their summit. a statement from the white house does not give any more details. earlier, the president tweeted his thanks for the letter looks forward to seeing kim soon and thanks him for sending home the remains of americans in the north korean war. the trump administration has confirmed it is considering whether to raise the proposed tariffs on chinese goods from 25% to 10%.

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emily: mark zuckerberg took a similar refrain, security is an arms race. sten to what he had to say. mark: security is not something you ever fully solved. our adversaries are well-funded and we constantly keep improving to stay ahead. the shipped -- the shift we has made is a big change and it will make facebook safer for everyone over time. emily: facebook discovered these pages acting on a tip from the cybersecurity firm fireeye. they bungled their response to russian meddling in the 2016 election. doesn't make you wonder if china is doing this too? could the u.s. be using facebook to do similar things in other countries? jordan: it is a great sign we are seeing a different facebook now regarding this issue of fake news. we did before 2016. i think a lot of executives dismissed this idea of fake news as being something that would be irrelevant. we are seeing a very different facebook. they are being active. they are promoting these efforts. it is a good thing. it reminds people these efforts are still out there. there is no reason to believe that other c

if you sat and you watched mark zuckerberg testify before congress which i had -- i'm such a nerd about these things, i turn the tv on, i'm look, shh, we have to listen. i happened to be in palo alto at the time and the streets were empty because everybody was watching this on the phone or whatever. you know, we are not media company, we are a tech company. well, you knowt that, they're enabler for speech and we need to figure out what that means in terms of how that is regulated, the questions that congress was asking to mark zuckerberg kind of showed how little our members of congress understand what it would mean to regulate those platforms in some meaningful way that would strike a balance that we may feel comfortable with. so i want to throw those ideas out there for further discussion. i also want to do two more things quickly, one is to just note that on second of august, do i want to bring it back to the title of the conversation u -- two special repertories, one from the united nations, professor at law professor at irvine, freedom of expression and the un -- i'm sorry and the

facebook ceo mark zuckerberg described facebook finding in a call with reporters. mark: we believe these pages, groups and accounts were part of two separate sets of campaigns. first, a set of activity from iran, including from some with ties to state-owned media. second, a set of activity that the u.s. government and others have publicly linked to russian military intelligence services. we have been investigating some of these campaigns for months. it highlights the tension we wee in every investigation face, and we are moving bad actors quickly and improving our defenses. emily: we asked our cybersecurity advisor to weigh in. jordan: this is a really good sign that these organizations, facebook and others, are taking active steps to eliminate these kinds of disinformation accounts. the fact that iran is getting in on the game of related to our elections and the election season is obviously not a great sign. what it shows is that we all continue to be vulnerable to dis-information on the web, especially on social media platforms such as facebook. these organization

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you mentioned facebook because i saw that mark zuckerberg testimony and i agree.es are the ones that put forward and idea of regulating an industry? >> i think that would be a big mistake. one thing that we know about all of these guys, they may be impressed by the power of the presidency and the power of the congress but they're not impressed or threatened by their intelligence. these guys think they're smarter than everybody and think they'll nevada gait around it, capture it. >> dana: there is disdain between silicon valley and washington d.c. i wonder about how that might translate on the hill next week. we're heading into a mid-term election. members will be loaded for bear. i'll give you the last word. 10 seconds. >> this is -- my concern about the power of silicon valley is reason i wrote my book. i don't see it going away any time soon. this will be a subject that we talk about. >> dana: we'll have you back. thank you for being here. we'll be right back. making it easy for youly pn to get your windshield fixed. with safelite, you can see exactly when we'll

>> i'm not going to feel bad for mark zuckerberg. this is the world he created, and maybe it's a frankenstein. maybe he created a monster. and yes, it is extremely difficult to corral it, and facebook is bringing in all sorts of allies and partners and the fbi to address this. but nobody's crying for facebook here. to the point he just made, these cyberattackers never went anywhere. they were there before the 2016 election. they remain there today. and while it's our gargantuan problem, facebook has a gargantuan amount of money to address this. and with facebook not being regulated, you can say all day long if people on the hill are united this their condemnation of facebook, but they're not forcing face bill clinton to do anything or regulating them to do anything. facebook could shut it down tomorrow until they have this thing solved. >> what would you shut down, though? there are pages going up tonight that look innocuous and just like robert would see as being russian in their invasion. >> you don't understand the monster you cre

if you watched mark zuckerberg testified before congress, which i have -- i am such a nerd about these things. i turned the tv on and go, oh, shh, we have to listen. i was in palo alto at the time and the streets were empty because everybody was watching on their phone or whatever. we are not a tech company. you know what, they are an enabler for speech, and we need to figure out what that means in terms of how that is regulated. the questions congress was asking to mark zuckerberg kind of showed how little our members of congress understand what it would mean to regulate the platforms in some meaningful way that would strike a balance that we may feel comfortable with. i want to throw those ideas out there for further discussion. i want to do two more things quickly, one is to just note that on august 2, because i do want to bring it back to the title of our conversation, two special groups, one from the united nations, an american that is a law professor at the university of california irvine, special repertoire on freedom of expression, and the special repertoire of the inter-americ

but i think it's very important when mark zuckerberg goes in front of congress and says we are not a media company, we are a tech company. the reason for that is because they don't want to be involved in this discussion from the communication perspective. if they just make stuff. they happen to make a platform where we communicate, but that's the focal point. that's where i think we also will get in some discussions of the courtoes beyond but also important discussions about ethics and policy even if it is not first amendment precedent we are talking about. >> thank you, joe. [applause] >> meant digital media in the department of communications at cal state fullerton. i'm very proud to brag about hiring chelsea on our faculty. she earned a phd in math medication from the university of minnesota and and and they in journalism from the university of missouri. her work has been recognized with numerous awards including the mary della smith award for feminist scholarship. her research investigates media representations of sexuality, gender, race and sexual health. please welcome chelsea

mark zuckerberg could not tell us the new cost of facebook.y told us the costs on security would go significantly higher that's not a company that just needs programmers to tinker around that means a company that no longer knows exactly what their business costs are that's a big deal. that's why facebook has done nothing. stocks down from earnings. >> okay. so i don't think it's going to suddenly rind rebound. >> the one that scares me the foest is facebook for all the reasons tim just said. there is a an chance you retest the level we saw during the zuckerberg testimony we saw on capitol hill 150ish or so the one with the most upside is twitter but compelling on valuation is google. the president can talk all he wants. google is the most interesting. >> google to me has the biggest rick up 18% year to date. >> why >> because search is their bread and butter they're the gorilla in the room. if anything comes off of that, incrementally? if those algorithms -- we saw you when facebook screwed around with theirs. if google does it and it hearst i

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