naomi, some investors have called for mark zuckerberg costs -- mark zuckerberg's power to be curbed. happening. why not? naomi: the rub for investors frustrated with the level of power mark zuckerberg has is, mark zuckerberg controls the majority of the shares on the board. whatever he recommends, the board do on various proposals, that is the way the board votes. once again, he likely voted against proposals to curb his own power. emily: what does this mean? at least for the next year, nothing is changing. the pressure remains on. naomi: i think we should expect to continue to see shareholders raise concerns about how mark is running the company. in today's meeting we saw concerns about, if the company is doing enough to address sex trafficking, how is it handling content moderation issues in the face of increasing regulatory scrutiny from around the world? we also saw shareholders raise concerns about hate speech and racism that proliferates on the platform. mark is going to continue to have to answer questions about what he is doing to address this problem while he continues to ho

[laughter] >> i've spoken to mark zuckerberg but i've never spoken to donald trump. >> what was mark zuckerberg like? >> i spoke to him quite a few times, when we do this board together, he was very pleased to get an independent oversight board and i asked him also and none of us would've joined if that question and not been asked. >> facebook has stuck to that part of it? >> absolutely. they know what we are. inner exactly why we are here and i think they think they will get more order in their own decision-making by having a board that looks a bit in a more principled way and they have until now. >> madam prime minister, and kiefer joining axios. thank you for joining us for this event. for more information, please check out our website. or, the axios app. join us for another axios virtual event. we will be live with representative lori underwood. and ceo of the march.. i will see you on the website. >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. funded by these companies and more. >> broadbent is a force for empowerment. that is why charter has invested billions billion -- buildi

. >> well, i've spoken to mark zuckerberg, but haven't spoken to donald trump. >> what was mark zuckerberg like. >> spoken to him quite a few finals, but when we did this together we were very keen to get an independent oversight board and i can say that i asked him, also, will you follow the decisions? and none of us in the oversight board would have joined if that had not been yes. >> and facebook has stuck to that bargain? >> yes, they know exactly what we are and why we are here and i think they think that-- i think that they think they'll get more order in their own decision making having a board that looks at it in a much more principled way than they have done up until now. >> madam prime minister, thank you for joining axios. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us for this axios virtual event for information about our sara newsletters, axios, and check out axios.com and newsletters and the app. hope you'll join us 11:30 for another event. with lauren underwood, andadmi'd jobs proposal, the american jobs plan. pres. biden: mr. mayor, governor, thank you. it is goo

this was mark zuckerberg's whole idea.a kid you ask your mom, i don't know, ask your father. what the board did is father said, go ask your mom, right? there was a great piece in the "washington times" is a that i had, mark zuckerberg tried to punt this and yeah, they punted it right back. he wants to avoid being responsible for this because he doesn't want conservatives to be mad, trump supporters to be mad. he doesn't want liberals or democrats to be mad. he had the opportunity, this is what the board did, board decided. now he doesn't get that chance. howie: mara liasson, six months facebook is posed to reconsider and facebook can finesse this at that point in time. >> this private company has tremendous power. many people say it has too much power. once again we are aware of this. mark zuckerberg has to decide what he wants to do. he is not the government. there is no law that says he has to let anyone speak on his mat form but he can't pretend there is a total unfettered free speech on his platform. this is a fundamen

are you concerned that mark zuckerberg will use this board as window dressing to make the world thinkhat facebook is doing something that it's not? >> i d't seehat as a danr. it might startut as a fig leaf, but it has really turd into a powerl force for good. of the last 10 cases, seven have led overturning's of facebook decisions and the recommendations thathe board gives to facebook are really powerful. in this case, facebook was being told, it needs to be better in communicating when you close accounts. you need to find out yourself what you did in order to amplify the ices of those who wanted to destroy democracy in the u.s. the oversight board works. it's a powerful force and should harness for a bettenline speech environment. brent: when you consider the power that these social media giants have, is it correct to say that lawmakers and legislation is still trying to catch up with big tech? as it stands right now, big tech and people like mark zuckerberg have more power than some national governmen do. >> absolutely. governments have not done a good job at all over the last decad

wants now the ban on donald trump was imposed after the january 6th capital riots at that point mark zuckerberg said that i will trump would remain off facebook to ensure a peaceful transition of power however 2 weeks later donald trump was out of the white house job i had taken the oath of office donald trump remained off facebook and that has been the case for 4 months for 4 months donald trump has not been on facebook major social media outlets have banned him donald trump reacted to today's decision by the facebook oversight board calling it a disgrace here's what we heard from trump what facebook twitter and google have done is a total disgrace and an embarrassment to the country these corrupt social media companies must be a political. rice must never again be allowed to destroy and does some 8 electoral processes now donald trump at this point has set up his own web site in order to communicate with his supporters he will be posting and updating his own website just as he once did with twitter and facebook now the case raises lots of big questions about this facebook oversight board and

that back in 2019 mark zuckerberg said that it really shouldn't be private corporations that are censoring politicians what i believe is that in a democracy it's really important that people can see for themselves what politicians are saying that they can make their own judgments and you know i don't think that a private company should be censoring politicians or news. so the interims news site created an account on twitter as you heard where it was reposed messages despite the account insisting it wasn't actually trump himself tweeting it was quickly suspended. twitter c.e.o. jack dorsey to remove it started trending former trump campaign advisor karen jono and america's on contact host chris hedges shared their views on it on the dangers digital monopolies pose to free speech. they have created these digital monopolies which should be broken up if they can do it to a head of state like trump they can do it to a head of state like merkel or somebody else that they don't like what they really want to shut down or any critics on the right or the left of neo liberalism of corporate capitalis

the risks of allowing the then president to continue were simply too great said facebook head mark zuckerberg the oversight board was originally created to examine such decisions trump has already established his own way to communicate with his supporters with his new website his followers can then of course share his messages via the major social media networks. all right now we want to bring in an internet law expert dr mightiest kettleman from the likeness institute for media in hamburg professors good to have you on the program i want to ask you don't trump responded to his ongoing suspension from facebook by saying that free speech had been taking away from him is that what has happened. no obviously not nobody's owed a platform to spew hate you have a right that government doesn't send their you or take away your free speech but not against platforms platforms a certain due to an international rights law that's true but they have much more leeway to decide what speech is dangerous and how to act if they think that speech is the enjoy the oversight board said that the decision to ban don

it was set up to handle the tricky decisions that mark zuckerberg says facebook doesn't want to make itself, but the group is financed by the social media giant, too, so critics today questioned just outs independent it can really be facebook's biggest worry will be whether its critics on the left and the right can work together gentz facebook lawmakers have been considering antitrust measures that could severely curtail the company's ability to expand or subject it to new penalties and regulation, but it's not clear if the left and right will stop fighting each other long enough to effectively -- >> so they essentially decided not to decide. the oversight board's decision adds fuel to the raging debate joanna sterne is the "wall street journal" senior personal technology columnist did this fail? >> i think executives can't be feeling too happy. they wanted to kick the can down the road and now the can is back with them. now they have to make this decision, which they didn't want to make. they have sixmonths to make it i don't think facebook thinking it's as much of a success. >> if

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black lives matter cofounder who had four homes, they would not let that maon their website, mark zuckerberg founder of cefacebook put $350 million inta super pack that turned outpl democrat voters in purple states before the last election, he hired left-wingers the higher the super pack, there's a lot of company that rely on the independent conservatives to actually fund its platform and their actually attacking the speech so a lot of the users like and want to hear. liz: it was a decision by the facebook oversight board they found that facebook breaks its own rules, it's an indefinite suspension, they punted over to mark zuckerberg who gets to decide in a six-month time whether to keep the band, this is kicking the can down the road, the oversight board said they effectively removed content or what you decide is unacceptable such as talking about the capital riots in january, removing the content, not blackout the whole account, were seen the wall street journal reporting that even mark zuckerberg admits something like 10% of cases a day that facebook it's wrong, they get around daily, tha

[laughter] >> i've never spoken to donald trump so -- >> what was mark zuckerberg like? >> spoke with him quite a few times but he was very, very keen to get an independent oversight board and i can tell you that i asked him would you follow our decisions and none of us on the oversight board would have joined if that question had not been asked. >> facebook has sought to that part of it. >> absolutely. they know what we are and they know exactly why we are here and i thinkk they think that or i think they think they will get more order in their own decision-making by having a board that looks at this in a much more principled way then they have done until now. >> madam per minister, thank you for joining x euros. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us for this axios spiritual event. for more information of our newsletter please check out axios starcom / newsletters or the axios app and we hope you will join us in just a few hours, 12:30 p.m. eastern time for another axios y virtual eve. we go live with lauren underwood and stacy stewart president and ceo. thank you f

mark zuckerberg founder of facebook put $350 million into a super-pac that turned out democrat votersrple states before the last election. he hired left-wingers to run that super-pac. this is a left-wing company that relies on a lot of independent and conservatives to actually fund its platform and they're attacking the with a lot of their users like and want to hear. elizabeth: it was a scathing decision by the facebook oversight board. facebook arbitrarily breaks its own rules. indefinite suspension, punts it over to mark zuckerberg to gets to decide six month time to keep the ban. this is kick the can down the road. the oversight board said effectively remove content you decide is unacceptable, such as trump, you know, talking about the capital riots in january. just remove the content, not black out the whole account, you know we're seeing "the wall street journal" reporting, sean, that even mark zuckerberg admits something like 10% of cases a day that facebook gets wrong. they get it wrong daily. that means 200,000 decisions are wrong a day at facebook. your reaction? >> yeah. i

and 202-748-8002, we'll play you some of the recent comments of mark zuckerberg, the founder and c.e.o. of facebook. let's hear first from president trump, former president trump recently on with sean hannity about the ban and what he calls cancel culture. >> you were canceled off twitter, can you imagine? canceled off twitter. canceled off social media platforms. now, you put out your presidential statements they go viral. people -- you know who misses you the most? the liberal media, the mob. they hardly ever see joe. there is nothing to cover there except covering when he falls down climbing the stairs. but, what about -- what is the answer? is the answer antitrust? is the answer ending section 230? is the answer donald trump starts his own twitter, facebook, instagram? is that something you are considering? guest: i think all of that. i am getting a big word -- >> every time i do a release it's all over the place. it's better than twitter. much more elegant than twitter. twitter is very boring. a lot of people are leaving twitter. twitter is becoming very boring. when i started wit

katty: now the decision is going to be up to mark zuckerberg.ure it is a decision he does not want to have on his desk, but he will have to decide whether to make this man -- ban permanent. what impact would it have on donald trump's chances for running for president again, if you were to decide to do that, if facebook says you cannot come back ever? nick: that would give him an issue. cancel culture is really animating the right in american politics right now. is railing against big tech, you have figures on the right. and on the left in america, they have been saying for a good many years about breaking up facebook. without a platform, it is hard to dramatize that issue, as you know. i think donald trump would much prefer to have his platforms back, twitter, he was so much a president of twitter. facebook is the sharp end of where political work was done. that fundraising, that building of a sense of community. donald trump did not only have a dialogue with his base, he had a dialogue with the artificial intelligence which drive facebook and m

ultimately mark zuckerberg the ceo and founder will have to decide whether the former president is ever's refusal to accept the results was wrong, his encouragement to support aggressively challenge it is partly responsible for the violence that unfolded on january the sixth. this issue goes way beyond the rights and wrongs of that particular event. facebook and the other big tech companies like twitter and google operate by double standards. they don't walk members of congress to call for more confrontation with the police if trial verdicts don't go their way. maxine waters did that quite recently. much larger problem, the power that facebook and the other tech giants have over the information data, communication channel that increasingly director lives. it's not enough to say the private companies and they can do whatever they want. they operate public discourse on the most important issues of the day. the data they control gives them is a destroyed mary bill lee to drive minds towards outcomes a desire and benefit from. reach underscores the biggest problem these companies pose. they

. >> with this six-month timeline, it puts the pressure on mark zuckerberg and the powerful role he hasr public discourse in this country. >> six months is a lot of time in politics. brian, i want to draw attention to a particular statement from the board in the summary of the case. it says the board insists facebook review this matter to determine and justify a proportionate response that is consistent to rules applied to other users of the platform. he's a former president. he's a private citizen. what do we know of what those other standards are? can i ask the simplest question, is one of the standards that the post has to be true? >> that is not a standard that facebook upholds. instead, it applies fact checks to lies and false information, and the application of those fact checks is unclear and not always consistent. a lot of folks expected facebook to allow trump back today by having the board make that decision. because these board members, many of them are free speech advocates. many of them care deeply about free expression. these board members looked at the evidence, looked at

a decision was made to you know to ban donald trump from facebook and from other outlets now mark zuckerberg he said that that that that would last for the next 2 weeks and basically until the peaceful transition of power and once biden was inaugurated you know that ban may or may not continue he didn't say whether or not it would be lifted but it was going to go on for at least 2 weeks well biden was inaugurated but nothing has so far changed for donald trump he remains removed from social media now what is interesting to note is that in 2019 mark zuckerberg said that facebook should not censor politicians this is what he said then what i believe is that in a democracy it's really important that people can see for themselves what politicians are saying that they can make their own judgments and you know i don't think that a private company should be censoring politicians or news no donald trump is banned from every major social media platform he has launched a website with which he is now communicating with his supporters here's a look at donald trump's new web site. so it seems that the lo

the irony about this is that mark zuckerberg saw the i that mark zuckerberg saw the oversight board asotjerk get out ofjailfree said very clearly, we are notjerk get out ofjail free card. you're going to take responsibility for this it will wind up on the decision back to you. he really hoped he could wash his hands of these politically sensitive decisions because in a polarised america, you risk alienating such a big part of your customer base. you have 7a million americans a0 for donald trump. the clicked on the terms and conditions of his presidency and facebook noticed that. there are massive revenue source for facebook. it is hoped that this oversight board will inoculate itself against the polarised politics of america. of the polarised politics of america. of the oversight board made very clear it was not going to play that role. ., ~ clear it was not going to play that role. . ~ ,, clear it was not going to play that role. ., ~' ,, , clear it was not going to play that role. . ~ ,, , . clear it was not going to play that role. ., ~' ,, , . , clear it was not going to play that

that's really what the board was pointing out and who decides at the end of the day is this a mark zuckerberg decision i mean even so there is just worse it's one person deciding so there's no policy. in place to what walk this through they sort of do it as a catch as catch can thing and there are certain policies in place are very clear on how to deal with with terrorists a group they formulate a policy but the board was simply saying have some policy here that's consistent and they were not consistent and that i think was a really good thing for the board to point out and the board was an aggregate of its responsibility but his facebook handed them was not their responsibility and face it was hoping that marc wasn't the one that has to say donald trump is banned permanently from facebook mark does not want to say that he may have to do what he also doesn't want to say he can come back and so they were hoping the board would do that this is a decision mark zuckerberg has to make at this moment in time in the history of facebook because that's there's no other way to do it because there's no

and that's really what the board was pointing out and besides at the end of the day is this a mark zuckerberg decision i mean even what you have so there is just worse it's one person deciding so there's no policy. in place to what walk this through they sort of do it as a catch as catch can thing and there are certain policies in place are very clear on how to deal with with terrorists a group they formulate a policy but the board was simply saying have some policy here that's consistent and they were not consistent and that i think was a really good thing for the board to point out and the board was an aggregate in its responsibility what his facebook handed them was not their responsibility and face it was hoping that marc wasn't the one that has to say donald trump is banned permanently from facebook mark does not want to say that he may have to and he also doesn't want to say he can come back and so they were hoping the board would do that this is a decision mark zuckerberg has to make at this moment in time in the history of facebook because that's there's no other way to do it because

what are your impressions about jack dorsey and mark zuckerberg and the others?epresentative latta: when the test about before the committee, i think they need to really listen to some more people. there are a lot of hard questions that were asked at the last hearing we had. i will be very happy when we are able to have everybody in front of us in person, and not just by zoom. i think the committee hearings will be functioning better when we are all back in person again. but for the companies and ceos, it is really knowing what their platforms are doing out there. it is not just crunching numbers and things like that, but the overall effect they are having across society. that is why it is important just hearing from mr. zuckerberg, that day he brought his own kids. and our concerns about what can happen to children up there on these platforms on how much is there, so that is why we have those hearings, to make sure we get this point out there, and we are on the legislative side, where things have to happen. but we want to make sure the platforms here us loud and

are trying to catch up with big tech that as it stands right now big tech and people like mark zuckerberg they have more power than some national governments do. oh absolutely governments haven't done a good job at all over the last decade to save us from digital capitalism we definitely need governments to do more and in a way perhaps we need to be thankful for what trump did over the last years because he force platforms to really think deeply about what speech is dangerous and he forced states to consider how better to save our rights online and ensure social cohesion also against the platforms that provide online spaces facebook now has 6 months to come back with a more refined explanation for its decision it is possible that donald trump could be back on facebook before the end of this year do you think that's going to happen i don't think that is going to happen i think facebook will go the way of twitter and will make the band indefinitely. ok mathias could have been we appreciate your time in your insights tonight thank you thank you. india's ferocious 2nd wave continues to better

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host: mark zuckerberg, the founder of facebook, he talked about the decisions by facebook to ban the president after january 6 at comments posted on that date. >> i cannot speak for everyone else, websites and other apps, i will tell you what we did it. before january 6, we work with law enforcement to identify and address threats. during and after the attacks, we provided extensive support in identifying insurrectionist and removed post supporting violence. we did not catch everything. we made our services and hospitable to those that might do harm. when we feared that he would inside fillet violence, we suspended the former president's account. -- insight -- incite violence, we suspended the former president's account. we created an independent oversight board that can overrule our decisions and we need democratically agreed rules for the internet. host: the headline of usa today, donald trump a char facebook, instagram been, will it stick? -- instagram band, will it stick? -- instagram ban, will it stick? california, good morning to rebecca. caller: thank you for taking my call. i

the -- the power does lie in the hands of mark zuckerberg, whether we like it or not.to that until we figure out these monopoly issues around social media or search or anything else. and so, essentially, the board said, you screwed up, facebook. now, fix it. that's what they said, essentially. and it's not our job to do it. it was a little snarky, actually, some of the -- some of the response, back, to facebook. so we will see what facebook does now, in response. >> do you see this as -- as a free-speech issue? or something else? >> you know, i think you have to separate donald trump, from this issue. there is a very important issue of what to do with world leaders. and -- and this board did address that. when world leaders become divisive and dangerous, what do you do? it asks facebook to make a policy on that. what do you do when that happens? you don't have a policy. it's arbitrary. or else, it's ill enforced or it doesn't -- or sometimes, enforced and other -- it's just random and they can't have this much power, and have so many random rules going around. and so,

that's really what the board was pointing out and who decides at the end of the day is this a mark zuckerberg decision i mean even. so there is yeah he does worse it's one person deciding so there's no policy. in place to what walk this through they sort of do it as a catch as catch can thing and there are certain policies in place are very clear on how to deal with terrorists a group they formulate a policy but the board was simply saying have some policy here that's consistent and they were not consistent and that i think was a really good thing for the board to point out and the board was an aggregate in its responsibility what his facebook handed them was not their responsibility and face it was hoping that marc wasn't the one that has to say donald trump is banned permanently from facebook mark does not want to say that he may have to and he also doesn't want to say he can come back and so they were hoping the board would do that this is a decision mark zuckerberg has to make at this moment in time in the history of facebook because that's there's no other way to do it because there's no

what's your impression of jack dorsey and mark zuckerberg? >> guest: when they have testified before us in committee, it comes down to i think that i think they need to really listen to some more people in my opinion. there are a lot of hard questions that were asked them at the last hearing that we had. i will be very happy, we are able to have anybody in front of in person and not just via zoom. i think the committee hearings will function even better when we are back all in person again. again, i think for the companies and for the ceos i think it's really knowing what the platforms are doing there. it's just not crunching numbers and things like that, but the overall effect they are having across society. that's why it's important i think just hearing from mr. zuckerberg that day about his own kids. our concerns about what can happen out there on children out there on these platforms and how much is there. that's again why we have those hearings, to make sure we get those points out there. and then again on the legislative side where thin

decision well the facebook oversight board was created at the suggestion of the facebook chief mark zuckerberg and it's funded by the facebook corporation but according to the reports it is independent of the facebook corporation and the board of directors do not exercise any oversight over the decisions that this board makes and now from what we understand this decision to remove donald trump was actually the biggest decision that the facebook oversight board commonly referred to as facebook's supreme court it was the biggest decision that they had yet made and at this point of the decision it remains in effect from 4 months ago it was implemented after the capitol riots on january 6th that at that point mark zuckerberg said that facebook would keep donald trump banned for the following 2 weeks to make sure that there was a peaceful transition of power and at that point it would be unclear whether or not that ban would continue and now that peaceful transition of power did happen joe biden assumed the presidency donald trump left the white house but that ban remained in effect nothing changed

is our job in committee to make sure that happens. >> you mentioned earlier the remarks that mark zuckerberg made about his own children in that hearing and there was a major focus from lawmakers from both parties about protecting children online. what plans do have to address that issue this year? >> guest: again, when you look at the great power that these platforms have out there and, you know, we want to make sure that those vulnerable children are protected out there and again that is going back and that's why we have the hearings. will we be heard? we been asking them so will they take that back in with a look at their own platforms and will they make sure that they will protect kids because again we don't want these kids being, you know, addicted to these platforms because again, this is, they are online all the time. covid has not helped. when you think about kids being at home and not being in school with her friends that, you know their outlet was being out there in front of the computer screen and we don't want to have the kids out there to the point that, you know, they could be