i don't know who -- it is marla. >> you say marla in this photo? >> that is marla. yeah. that is my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> of course you just pointed to e. jean carroll. >> who is that -- >> and the woman on the right is your then wife. >> this is the picture. i assume that is john johnson. because it is very blurry.

maples >> that's marla. >> you say that marla is in this photo? >> yes, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> the woman you just .2 is e jean carroll. >> that prove that carroll was exactly donald trump's wife, and the way that he treated her fit a pattern of behavior to other women testified he had assaulted them too in jurors heard his own words on the now infamous access hollywood video. >> kissing them, it's like a magnet, kissing them. when you are a star they let you do it. they let you do anything. >> speaks 16 steam called that a confession. >> historically that's true with stars. >> it's true with stars that they can grab women by the [bleep]? >> if you look over the last million years i guess that has been largely true, not always, but largely. unfortunately or fortunately. >> carroll who was given the opportunity to testify never once attended the trial, a decision his attorney defended today. what more could he say then i did not do it? >> reporter: calling it a disgrace, the greatest witch hunt of all time. his lawyer

i don't even know who -- the woman, i don't know, that's marla. >> did you say marla is in this photo? >> that's marla, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to is e. jean carroll. the woman on the right is your then-wife -- >> i assume that's john johnson, and that's carroll? it's very blurry. she would not be my first choice. that i can tell you. man, you don't know, that would not be my first choice. >> when you said in that video that she would not be your first choice, you were referring to her physical looks, correct? >> just overall, i look at her and see her and hear what she says, whatever. you would not be a choice of mine either, and i hope you are not insulted, and i under no

maples. >> it's marla. >> you're saying marla is in the photo? >> that's marla, yes. that's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you pointed to is e jean carroll. >> the president said he didn't raped her for her looks. so her lawyer following up with this question. >> the only difference between me and other people is i'm honest. she's not my type. >> i take it the three women you've married are all type? >> yeah. >> trump doubling down. >> she's accusing me of rape. a woman that i have no idea who she is, came out of the blue. she's accusing me of rape, of raping her. the worst thing you can do, the worst charge. and it never took place. and i will tell you, i made that statement and i said it's politically incorrect, she's not my type. that's 100% true. she's not morne trying toonvince the jury the alleged rape is p patt beorer women he same way that he described in the access hollywood tape that trump watched during his deposition. >> i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. i don't know. when you're a star,

maples. >> it's marla. >> you're saying marla is in the photo?that is marla, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> carroll's team said that proved that carroll was exactly donald trump's type, and fit a pattern of behavior, two women testified he assaulted them too and jurors heard trump's own words on the infamous access hollywood video. >> i just kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss. i don't even wait, and when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> carroll team calls it a confession, pressing him in the story. >> that's true with stars. >> it's true the stars that they can grab women by the [bleep]? >> well, if you look over the last million years, it's been largely true, not always, but largely true, unfortunately or fortunately. >> trump, who was repeatedly given the opportunity to testify never once attended the trial, a decision his attorney defended today. >> what more could he say other than i didn't do it? >> reporter: trump calli

maples. >> that is marla. >> you said marla is in this photo? is marla, yeah. that is my wife. >> witch woman? >> here. >> the person you pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> aaron: trump considered those continues to insist he does not rape carroll. >> the only difference between me and other people is i'm on his. she is not my type. >> i take it the three women you have married are all your type? >> yeah. >> aaron: trump doubling down. >> she is accusing me of rape, a woman i have no idea who she is. she is accusing me of rape, raping one, the worst charge, and it never took place. i will tell you, i made that statement and i said, it is politically incorrect. she is not my type. that is 100% truth. she is not my type. >> aaron: carroll's attorneys are trying to convince the jury the alleged rape is part of pattern of behavior. in the same way he described the infamous access hollywood tape >> i start kissing them. it is like a magnet. and when you are a star, they let you do it. >> aaron: trump has dismissed that as locker room talk. in his depo

. >> reporter: he misidentified carroll in photograph as his second wife, marla maples. >> that's marla. >> reporter: and was asked about that infamous access hollywood videotaped. >> it is true how celebrities can grab them by the [bleep]? >> largely true, fortunately or unfortunately. >> his deposition could be said to be a disaster in this case. the worse when it's against donald trump was donald trump. >> reporter: trump lawyers say they plan to appeal. the former president is facing a host of other legal challenges, and putting probes in new york,

. >> that's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> who is this? >> and the woman on the right is your then wife ivana. >> this was the picture, i assume that's john johnson. is that carroll? because it's very blurry. >> yeah, sure, that's right. i'm sure the picture must have been blurry, except it actually wasn't. here's the picture. the picture that trump was holding that shows him from behind facing carroll and her then husband with trump's then wife ivana standing to his right. we have added a picture of marla maples to the screen so you can see they're two different people. it sure does look like carroll fit his type. during the deposition, trump also went on to insult e. jean carroll's lawyer, roberta kaplan, saying she wouldn't be his choice either under any circumstances, so i guess she should be relieved he wouldn't try to rape her allegedly? yesterday, before leaving ireland where instead of

. >> it's marla. >> you are saying marla is in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. are you pointing out? >> here. >> the woman you just pointed to is e. jean carroll. and the woman on the right is your nine wife, marla -- of anna. >> i assume that's jan jansen? that's carroll? because it's very blurry. >> now, here is the picture the ex president was actually shown. it doesn't look very blurry to me. and then there is a separate exchange, a troubling one. trump is asked about the now infamous access hollywood tape, which became public shortly after the 2016 election. he was caught on a hot mic back in 2005, boasting about how you could grow and kiss women without their consent. in his deposition, trump not only confirmed that he made those remarks, but he also doubled down on his apparent entitlement to a woman's body. watch. >> and you say it, again this is become very famous, in this video, i just started kissing them. it's like a magnet. just kiss, i don't even wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [bleep], you ca

don't even know who the woman -- let's see, i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. it's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >>> and the great macaroni mystery. who dumped hundreds of pounds of pasta in the woods in a new jersey town? we're going to ask the mayor tonight. >>> okay, but let's start with what we know about justin neely's death on a new york city subway. the 24-year-old man who put him in a choke hold has been identified by his lawyer as daniel penny, a college student and former marine. jordan neely's father is demanding answers and an arrest, and protesters want action. >> why is the killer free? why is the killer free? why is the killer free? >> okay, let's bring in my panel here with me tonight. we have emmy winner w. kamau bell, criminal defense attorney joey jackson, and former congressman max rose. gentlemen, thanks so much for being with me here on a friday might. >> i like an emmy qualifies me here to be with you. >> it does. oh, for sur

maples. >> that is marla. >> you are saying marla is in this photo? >> that is marla, yeah. that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the pointed that you just pointed to his e. jean carroll. >> reporter: the attorney says it proves carroll was exactly trump's type. carroll's team played the jury the infamous access hollywood tape. trump telling you in his own words how he treats women. >> to start kissing them, like a magnet. i don't need to wait. when they are a star, they let you do it. >> they played trump's explanation. >> historically that is true with stars. >> true with stars that they can grab woman by the [bleep]. >> if you look over the last million years, that's been largely true. not always. but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> carroll's attorney pounds, who would say fortunately to describe the active sexual assault. he thinks stars like kim can get away with it. the defense called carroll story and unbelievable work of fiction ripped from a 2012 episode of law and order in which a woman gets raped at

i don't know who it's marla >> did you say marla is in this photo >> that's marla. it's my wife >> reporter: throughout the deposition mr. trump steadfastly denying the accusation and going after carroll's attorney >> you know it's not true you're a political operative also you're a disgrace. >> reporter: later turning to her physical appearance. >> you wouldn't be a choice of mine either to be honest with you. i hope you're not insult i would not under any circumstances have any interest in you. >> laura, this is the only time the jury is going to actually hear from mr. trump >> reporter: right, lester, and mr. trump's attorneys opted not to put on a defense case the judge is giving the former president until 5:00 p.m. sunday to change his mind if not, closing arguments are expected on monday. lester >> laura jarrett, thank you. >>> the supreme court has stepped in to temporarily halt the planned execution this month of an oklahoma man whose case has drawn support from both sides of the death penalty debate tonight my exclusive interview with richard glossip on the

let's say, it's marla. >> you said marla is in this photo?? >> here. >> e. jean carroll's lawyer then told the jury what did mr. trump do after i showed him that photograph. he looked at it for a moment, pointed to miss carroll, and then said completely unprompted by me, it's marla, that's marla, yeah, that's my wife. mr. trump pointed to miss carroll, the woman he supposedly said was not his type, and mistook her for marla maples. miss carroll's hairdo at the time was similar in both cut and color to miss nichols. she was exactly his time. e. jean carroll's lawyer reminded the jury of donald trump's access hollywood video. >> you know, i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- it's like a magnet, just kiss. i don't even wait. and when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> e. jean carroll's lawyer then told the jury what is donald trump doing here? he is telling you his very own words how he treats women. it's his modus operandi, or m. o.. the evidence in this case e

-- let's see, i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you say marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >> and the woman on the right is your wife -- >> this was the picture. >> so, he thought his accuser here e. jean carroll was actually his ex-wife, which is notable because he had said throughout his deposition that he would never be attracted to e. jean carroll. so, does this just completely undercut his case, one would think he'd be attracted to his ex-wife, right? >> yes. and you think his ex-wife would be his type, since he married her. there's so many damning parts of the deposition. i must imagine his defense counsel don't like it from so many different angles. on this particular episode, absolutely, it goes to the heart of what he's been saying, not my type. obviously, he's failing to distinguish e. jean carroll from his own wife, suggests it would be his type. second, it also goes to the real theory behind the case that this is an act of ra

her for his second wife, marla maples. the problem is that marla maples was exactly his type. in fact, he's been videotaped saying, in a very bizarre way, that he hoped his then one year old daughter would turn out to be every bit as beautiful as marla maples, and talked about, particular physical attributes, right? >> i remember that. >> yes, it was quite disturbing. but if marla maples was his type and then he looks at a picture of e. jean carroll and thinks it's marla maples, how credible is it for him to then say, she's not my type? which e. jean carroll testified, is basically a translation for, he's too ugly to assault. >> he does say some odious stuff. trump's lawyer, joe tacopina, try to discredit jessica leeds and her story by asking her repeatedly why she did not report the assault that she said took place on that flight. if she screamed, why she did not then tell a friend -- what do you make of that line of questioning? -- need to in 2017? what do you make of that question in 2023? >> it's really retrograde, rig

. >> it is marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo?la, yeah, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to. >> here. >> the person you're pointing to is carol. >> that moment proved he was exactly donald trump's type and the way he treated her fit a pattern of behavior two other women testified he assaulted them, too, and jurors heard trump's own words on the now infamous access hollywood video. >> i just start kissing them it's like a magnet. and when you're a star they let you do it. you can do anything. >> trump who was receipt repeatedly given the opportunity to testify never once attended the trial a decision his attorney defended today. >> what more could he say other than he didn't do it. >> reporter: tonight trump calling the verdict a disgrace, a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time. his lawyer says he will appeal. >> our thanks to aaron. >> now to the crisis at the border and concerns tonight the situation may soon get much worse and title 42, a controversial covid era policy ends. a rule that allows migra

it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> the person you pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> who is this? >> and the woman on the right is your then wife. >> is that carroll? because it's very blurry. >> let's put up the photo that he was looking at. he says it's a receiving line. the woman right in front of him on the left-hand side of the screen is not marla maples, his ex-wife now, but that is e. jean carroll, he confuses e. jean carroll with marla maples, at the same time saying she was not his type. >> again, if you had a defense case, i'm sure there would be a way to provide explanation. they do look remarkably similar at least in that picture. you would have some way to contextualize this, anything, but without a defense case, all the jury is left is with him saying she's not my type, but yet she was your type. >> you're a defense lawyer. i know it's donald trump, but if you were his lawyer would you be going to the golf course right now and saying,

i don't even know who the woman, i don't even know who, it's marla. >> you're saying marla is in this>> that's marla, yeah. a that's my wife. >> which one are you pointing? >> here. >> you just pointed e. jean carroll. >> there was this? >> and the woman on the right is your than wife marla. but >> i don't know. this was the the the the photo. i soon as jon johnson. it's very blurry. >> you can hear trump's attorney quickly jumping in that the woman he just, he just misidentified his wife, that's marla, right? that's the same woman he has repeatedly claimed as, quote, not my type. >> one of the other things that you said about ms. carroll at the time appears in your june 24 a statement which is b. j. t20 to. and what you said there is i say with great respect numb one she's not my type. when you say that ms. carroll was not your type, you meant that she was not your type physically, right? >> i saw her in a picture. i don't know what she looked like. and i said it, and i say it with his much respect as i can, but she is not my type. >> again, when you say type, you refer to looking at

that is marla. >> you say marla is in this photo? >> that is marla, yeah. that is my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. and the woman an owe the right is your then wife. >> this is the picture. i assume that is john johnson, is that -- >> that is carroll. >> because its very blurry. >> what do you see there in that exchange. we're used to this trump and fans have an idea and here he seems to be running out the clock and using words to not say anything about the photo. >> not only is he using a lot of words, he said she's just not my type. he married marla maples. this woman looks just like marla maples at that time. so that flies in the face of whatever kind of weird defense he thinks he has. again, this is the worst possible type of evidence in a case like this which is he said, she said in a sense it is circumstantial and it happened a long time ago, memories fade. but this puts you right back there and right then. and let's remember, he's not in the courtroom. most defendants that are being accu

. >> it is marla. >> reporter: when trump notably confuses carroll with marla maples.nd ivana, his first wife. >> you said marla? >> that is my wife. >> which are you pointing to? >> here. >> carroll. >> reporter: this week in court, jurors were shown this "access hollywood" tape, released just days before the 2016 election. >> you can do anything you want. whatever you want. grab them by the [bleep]. >> reporter: the attorney asks trump about those remarks. >> you can do anything, grab them by the [bleep], that's what you said? >> well, historically, that is true with stars. >> it is true with stars that they can grab women by the [bleep]? >> well, that's, if you look over the last million years, i guess, that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> reporter: the judge has given trump until 5:00 p.m. sunday if he wants to change his mind and testify in his own defense. after that, closing arguments, and then this jury of nine, including three women, will determine if trump is liable. norah? >> norah: scott macfarlane, thank

trump also confuse add photo of carroll whom he said was not his type for his ex-wife marla maples

maples, it's marla. marvelous in this photo. that's marla. yeah that's that's my wife. woman are you pointing to here? was that you just pointed to his. carol carol's attorney, roberta kaplan, said that proves carol was exactly trump's type. carrell's team also played the jury the infamous access hollywood tape calling it a confession trump telling you, in his own words, how he treats women kissing them. it's like a magnet. i don't need to wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. trump's explanation. well, historically, that's true with stars. true with stars that that they can grab women by the all this what? that's if you look over the last million years, i guess that's been largely to not always but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately, carol's attorney pounced. who would say fortunately to describe the act of sexual assault. i know who kaplan said he thinks stars like him can get away with it. the defense called carol's story in unbelievable work of fiction from a

wife. >> you said marla?o? >> here. >> reporter: this week in court, jurors were shown this to be 26 tape, released just days before the 2016 election. >> you can do anything you want. grab them by the [bleep]. >> reporter: the attorney asked them about those remarks. >> you can do anything, grab them by the [bleep], that's what you said? >> well, historically, that is true with stars. >> it is true with stars that they can grab women by the [bleep]? >> if you look over the past million years, i guess, that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. eportehe judsuay ife w to changs mind and testify in his own defense. after that, closing arguments, and then the jury of nine, including three women, will determine if trump is liable. norah? >> norah: scott macfarlane, thank you. now to that suspected serial killer in california. 21-year-old made his first court appearance. carlos dominguez pled not guilty to murder and attempted murder for the three stabbings near the university of california, davis. wh

. >> i don't even know who the woman, i don't know, that's marla. >> you say marla is in this photo?> that's marla, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >> later, he defended himself. >> she's accusing me and so are you of rape and it never took place and i will tell you, i made that statement and i said she's not my type and that's 100% true. she's not my type. >> we are in unprecedented waters, but i'm curious about how you think that deposition affected the final arguments today. >> came up several times. e. jean carroll's lawyers argued that e. jean carroll was exactly his type, so much that he confused her from a photo at that time for his second wife marla maples. the fact that trump did not testify, carol's lawyers circled back to it and they said he never came here to tell you, the jury, that he did not do this. they also argued, referring again to this access hollywood tape, that trump had boasted in the tape that he did have a type and that when you are a star, you let them do it. trump's lawyers

i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >> who is that? who is this? >> the woman on the right is your then-wife, ivana? >> i don't know. this is the picture. i assume that's john johnson. is that carroll because it's very blurry. >> as you see there, trump is confusing e. jean carroll from the early '90s with his second wife, marla maples. later in the deposition, he is asked by carroll's attorney, are all of your wives your type? and trump says, yes, they are. this is something that carroll's team wants to use to undercut his argue that she wasn't his type, and that that statement was a lie. it's interesting because trump, as you said, has waived his right to testify. he has not attended any of the civil trial, and he's not required to. but this will be the only words that the jury will see, the words and trump's reaction to the questions as they consider this case, and they could get it as early as tuesday.

maples, watch. >> you say marla was in the photo. >> that's marla, yeah, that's my wife. >> which are you pointing to? >> here. oh, is that. >> the person you pointed to as e. jean carroll. >> who is that. >> and the person on the right your then wife marla. >> and i assume thaws john johnson, is that carroll? that's blurry. >> and it got fiery and he stands by all public statements made denying carroll's accusation. >> she's accusing me of rape, of raping her. the worst thing you can do, the worst charge, and you know, it's-- you know it's not true, too. you're a political operative, also, you're a disgrace, but she's accusing me, and so are you, of rape and it never took place. >> now, carroll's lawyers have called 11 witnesses including two other women who accused the former president of forcibly touching them. no other witnesses will be called by trump's team. >> very, very insightful, alex, hoff, thank you. >> the chokehold death of homeless man who police say has been harassing people on the subway. that's bought people to the streets, demanding charges for the person who restra

jean carroll for his ex-wife marla maples. pres. trump: that is marla. is my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? pres. trump: here. >> you just pointed to e. jean carroll. the woman on the right is your then wife marla? pres. trump: this is a picture. i assume -- it is very blurry. amy: in a moment we will be joined by jessica leeds who testified during the trial about how trump sexually assaulted her during a flight in the 1970's. but we begin with moira donegan, an opinion columnist covering gender and politics for the guardian. also a writer-in-residence at the clayman institute for gender research at stanford university. thank you so much for joining us. can you first respond to the verdict, to a unanimous jury finding donald trump libel for sexily assaulting and defaming e. jean carroll? >> thank you for having me, amy. something to remember about this verdict, it was unusually fast that suggested this was not very close. even in a civil trial like this, the jury will be out in deliberations for much longer. they came back yesterday in just unde

i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you say marla is in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah.t's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> that's carroll. >> the person you pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> he says he doesn't know her, never met her and a photo introduced from a party at the 1980s. if you just saw this photo maybe you forget that but then you have the moment in the deposition and yet despite all that, trump's lawyers decided not to call him or he did not want to come in as a witness, deciding they would take their chance to what they have to sway two jurors, is that math right? >> it's a jury of six men and three women and for it to get a verdict in this case it has to be unanimous. they need to persuade one or two people that carroll's allegations are wrong so that there's not a unanimous verdict. it's the burden of proof on carroll's team. they have to prove this case. the burden of proof because it is a civil case is lower than a criminal case. py the preponderance of evidence. if you believe it more than 50% then the jury could find in carol's

it's marla. >> you say marla is in this photo? >> that's marla. that's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to was carol. the woman on the right is your then wife? >> this was the picture. i assume that's john johnson. is that -- it's very blurry. >> reporter: there you see trump is mistaking her for his second wife marla maples and and later in the deposition he's asked were all your wives your type, and he says they were. they have two other women that have accused trump of assaulting them. they have testified at the trial. that's what they say is a pattern. a woman comes forward with an allegation and he denies it. one woman testified trump had groped her on an airplane when they were sitting in first class. they put her allegations to trump and showed him a campaign clip where he did what they allege as pattern. take a listen. >> hopefully our great movement, and there's never been anything like this in the united states, and the only way they can figure to slow it down is coming up with people who

let's say i don't know -- thats marla -- >> you're saying marla's in this photo. >> that's marla.h. my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you pointed to was e. jean carroll. the woman on the right is your, then wife mara. >> this is the picture. is that -- it's very blurry. >> yeah. >> i mean, just part of his defense, she's not my type but just mistook her for his then wife. is that material? >> keep in mind two things here. remember, he's accused of battery. rape allegations come in. why this, is she my type, not my type statement is not for ma lish maliciousness and what is told you. it's about power not the laws of attraction. the whole point making that statement leading in to it suggesting she lied about any relationship they may have had in interaction. saying i don't know her. not my type. would never have done this. backing up his claim she is a liar. that's a form of the defamation here. remember, nothing about an insult. you can insult somebody in this world. if you actually publicize a statement that is a false assertion of fact, not a mat

let's watch. >> let's say, i don't know, it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo?o? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> and the woman on the right is your then wife -- >> it's very blurry. >> it's interesting because he kind of just keeps rolling with it, even recognizing that he had made that mistake. the reason this is significant because part of hisf the united saying she's not even my team. and yet he identified her as his ex-wife in that very photo. how do you clean up that in a closing argument? how does tacopina do that? >> the not my type defense was not even necessary. that was a trump invented defense. his attorney told him this is a straightforward case, you don't remember it because it didn't happen. we are taking on this witness not as a victim. we're treating her as a liar because we believe it didn't happen. so when you have an unforced error, when trump essentially says this is somebody who's not by type. you don't need that, and i guarantee if they're being honest, trump's defense team when trump started that narrative

i mean, he said, that's my wife, marla. but he's standing with his ivana as you said.and also, that one photograph of the two couples together has been shown and shown and shown. for the last year, at least, if not more. how could he be so dumb, and then of course, he said it was blurry. but obviously, what a slip. and the point is, e. jean carroll was donald trump's type then, she would be his type now, i suppose, although he's not her type. there was crazy, it was a confession in a way. >> it was, absolutely. and there's also the trump confession, via the access hollywood video, that was brought into the trial. donald trump had that remarkable moment in defending what he said in the access hollywood trial, where he says, yes, men of always had the right to do this, famous metabolic had the right to do this to women, and apparently, his reading of history goes back 1 million years, i believe he said. and he described that right that men like him have something to abuse, women it was either fortunately or unfortunately for women. he wasn't sure whether that was fortuna

i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you're saying marla is in the photo. >> that's marla, yeah. it's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. oh, is that -- >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >> miscarroll did not speak to reporters but released a statement which reads in part this victory is not just for me but every woman suffered because she was not believed. as for the former president he posted this on his site quoting, i have absolutely no idea who this woman is. this verdict is a disgrace. a continuation of the greatest witch-hunt of all time. trump attorney joe tacopina underscored that jurors stopped short of concluding his woman raped miss carroll and promised to appeal. >> you know, there were things that happened in this case that were beyond the pale. the judge overturned once by the secretary circuit in carroll versus trump and think it will be overturned a second time. >> joining me to discuss is jessica leeds, thanks for joining us. what is your reaction upon hearing the news of the verdict? >> well, i am very pleased for jean. i'

. >> reporter: he also confused a photo of carroll who he said wasn't his type for his ex-wife marla maples, yeah. that's my wife. >> reporter: a striking moment tacopina never addressed at trial. >> and laura, this case is also breaking rare legal ground. >> that's right. carroll's case is among the first to go to trial using a new law that gives survivors of sexual assault a window to file civil suits even when the statute of limitations has long since passed. many have filed claims under this new law. none with a verdict quite like this. lester? >> laura jarrett, thanks very much. for more i'm joined by legal analyst danny cevallos. danny, let's talk about that deposition for a minute. it clearly wasn't helpful to the former president. is that an issue for lawyers going forward as he faces other potential cases? >> yes. the lesson to be learned if you get trump into a deposition, he might stay on script for a little while, but sooner or later, he veers into improv, and improv is bad for him. for example, saying the plaintiff in this case was not his type had nothing to do with any

marla. >> icing marla is in the photo? here. >> the person you just pointed to his e. jean carroll. >> okay in case you didn't hear that he was saying the woman's photo was merola maples, trump 's wife at the time. but it was e. jean carroll. part of his defenses that he did not even know e. jean and she is not his type. on what planet where these arguments working? >> so this is a really strong piece of evidence on a critical element of e. jean carroll's case. she is got to prove that she was defamed, that trump made knowingly false statements about her. and he testifies in the deposition that all of his ex wives are his type. marla maples is his type. he is shown a photograph of e. jean carroll, he identifies it as marla. it is powerful evidence and what you do not have in this trial is trump taking the witness stand and giving the jury an alternative explanation. because it is a civil case and carol only has to prove her case by a preponderance of the evidence, prove that it is more likely that, not this is really damag

you'll get the statement that marla maples is e. jean carroll.something that -- it's not gonna happen in a criminal case, but just remember, he's not gonna testify, but there are lots of statements out there in connection with the fani willis case, connection with january 6th in mar-a-lago cases. all sorts of statements that donald trump has made that we've talked about repeatedly. and i think the issue is he's gonna be on the take the stand, and contradict them, because he's not gonna be able to do that credibly. so, it's going to be, in a sense, very much a repeat of the dynamic that you saw at play here, it just won't be that there is an under deposition, and i think the other thing that will be similar, we've actually seen a judicial system and the jury system work. we've seen jurors, sworn under oath, and follow the law, and listen to the facts. and made a conscientious decision that was actually, as faith pointed out, they parsed it very carefully. as to what was proven and what wasn't. i think that's something we can expect in manhattan, i

it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah.fe. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to is e. jean carroll. the woman on the right is your then wife marla. >> i assume that's jonathan lemire -- john johnson. >> it's a photo that includes a plaintiff here. e. jean carroll, her ex-husband, the defendant, former president and his then wife. he's confused, though, who e. jean carroll is in the picture. he's confusing e. jean carroll for his wife. the whole point is to say you're saying she's not your type. well, you thought she was your wife. she is your type. and the attorney is like, wait a second, you're saying that's your wife. she's even confused because she can't believe he's saying it either. again, perhaps if he had appeared at trial, he would have been able to explain this away. i'm sure he would have had some explanation for it. instead all the jury is getting is this video. >> when we talk about that and the fact the president hasn't testified in his defense, the defense team essenti

watch this. >> you say marla is in this photo? >> that's marla. that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the point you pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> who is that? >> the woman on the right is your then wife ivana? >> this is the picture. that is john johnson. is that -- >> that's carroll. it's very blurry. >> martha: your thought, andy. >> well, i think the context of this, martha is that he said she wasn't his type. so you know, the last person you'd want to confuse with is somebody that you married. >> martha: yes. sorry i got some more information in my ear here. the trump campaign coming in saying that this verdict will be appealed. we know that the president, former president said earlier that he would appeal on unconstitutional silencing. andy what is the impact of the fact that this happens and also other cases are in the pipeline while he is a current candidate for the presidency of the united states? the strongest one on his side of the aisle right now. >> yeah, i don't think, march that that we can say exactly h

that's marla. yeah, that's that's my wife, woman are you pointing to here? oh just pointed to was carol republicans appear unfazed by the latest legal blow to trump senator marco rubio called the jury a joke, and senator bill haggerty described the verdict as the latest legal circus. we've seen president trump under attack since before he became president. this has been going on for years. and he has been amazing in his ability to whether these sorts of attacks, but senator john cornyn, a trump critic, told reporters. i do not think he can win the presidency regardless of what you think about him as an individual. former vice president mike pence who is considering whether to challenge trump for the party's nomination in 2024, says americans are not focused on his former boss. i have to tell you that as i've traveled around the country the last two years, all of the controversies that are surrounding the president or just not what people talk to me about. carol called the verdict of victory for her and for every woman who has suffered because she was not bel

it's marla. you're saying marvelous in this photo. that's marlon. yeah, that's that's my wife pointing to here. oh just pointed carol, another major moment in the deposition. the infamous access hollywood tape, which is brought up throughout the trial . carol's attorney said the jury did not have to rely solely on her account. they said that former president trump told the jury that he sexually assaulted women. in the same way that he described on the access hollywood tape. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. whatever you want. grab them by the to do anything. trump standing by his comments in his deposition. historically, that's true with stars. it's true with stars that that they can grab women by the world. this would it's if you look over the last million years , i guess that's been largely to not always but largely true. unfortunately unfortunately, this is just the latest in a string of legal battles of former president is facing as he continues his bid for reelection . former president donald trump has now been indict

. >> reporter: he misidentified carroll in photograph as his second wife, marla maples. >> that's marlaut that infamous access hollywood videotaped. >> it is true how celebrities can grab them by the [bleep]? >> largely true, fortunately or unfortunately. >> his deposition could be said to be a disaster in this case. the worse when it's against donald trump was donald trump. >> reporter: trump lawyers say they plan to appeal. the former president is facing a host of other legal challenges, and putting probes in new york, washington, and atlanta. the former president has denied any wrongdoing. norah? >> norah: elaine quijano, thank you. for more, let's bring cheap washington horse but it major garrett. good evening. what is the political impact of this? because he is running for president. >> reporter: yes, he is the current republican front-runner, not just a former president. this was, it all terms, a character sketch of donald trump then and now. senate republicans are not rallying to his defense. to talk about the case for a second. the defense was he was rude, he was crude, but he w

here his ex-wife marla maples.fied carol called her 5 to 7 minutes after the alleged assault at bergdorf goodman. telling the jury, e.g. said to be many times. backs and she whispered, eugene he riccio. the defense argues she hates >> i cannot listen to donald trump speak. >>. [birds singing] testified her only motive is to support her friend. saint i want the world to know that she was telling the truth. ever since this trial started mystery whether trump would show up here to testify in his own defense. tonight his attorney said he will not it's pairs trump david cross-examination. david quick. >> aaron kotowski lower manhattan. thank you aaron. repeating for the public health for killing 5 neighbors in the fbi says francisco or piece that could be anywhere this point. customs and border protection are part of the search. admit concerns he may have fled to mexico. police say killed 5 next-door neighbors occluding a mother and her 9 year old son. after they asked him to stop firing his air 15 style weapon for fun.

there's marla. >> you're saying marla is in this photo?? >> this is the picture. i assume that's john johnson. it's very blurry. >> in that moment do you know you have him? >> kind of. one of the things i said to the jury, it's classic donald trump. he makes the mistake in the photo. he realizes the mistake because his attorney tells him and he lies. what does he say? it's blurry. the same photo you were looking at, there's nothing blurry about that photo. >> donald trump still denying he's ever met you. saying you're still lying. tell us about how important this was for you as an individual, but also for women at large in a moment like this. so many of them, not just in relation to donald trump, but any man. >> this is what really -- it's a victory, not really for me. it's for every woman because we did away with the perfect victim concept. the perfect victim always screams. she always goes to the police. she always writes the date in her diary. we smashed that concept. for every woman in the country, this is for you. i think this will he