and he had no explanation, he just moved the conversation along. >> so you call up marla mainels did say this is trump, he says it's john miller. >> i was trying to be more delicate. >> what happened when you did that. >> she cried. >> he was saying i didn't want to give her a commitment. >> yeah. and he talked about madonna being after him, and kim basinger and everyone calling. carla -- who didn't call. >> and then you took you out after this? >> yeah. >> as a form of apology for fooling you. >> with marla and another editor from "people" magazine. >> so -- okay. so that happened. and then when you heard him deny it -- he's still denying it this morning on the "today" show what was your reaction? >> i think he should come clean and apologize to me now. >> because now it's suggesting that you misled us. >> yeah that i'm lying. i'm not lying. >> his denial was, you know it was -- that doesn't sound like me. it's interesting because if somebody called me and up said, did you call and pretend to be your pr person. i would say no, i have never done anything like that ever i wouldn't say