so all of dean's movie, marlon brando, the wild one for exemplary makes that wonderful line, young waitress, ask them which are rebelling against, and he says what you've got? so those are places you should rebels and then also looking it becomes more popular at the time. "life" magazine does a great job of bringing people from the sort of fringes into middle-class homes across the country and for people are able to pick up their "life" magazine and look at pictures of beatniks and meet writers like -- and folks are probably wouldn't have known that much about unless they happen to be interested in the art world or in poetry specifically but most middle-class white americans wouldn't have known that much about. >> william f. buckley is the ultimate outsider? >> well, he is a really interesting figure because he goes to yale in the late '40s. he is at yale and he would not have been an outsider most places in america, but he really feels very much that he is at yale because he believed the liberalism of professors really dominate not just the campus but the academic offerings, that there is