tell me a bit more about marlon green and what he had to go through. >> well. >> they say that he who breaks through the brush first gets the thorns. i know he had a lot of thorns trying to break through. >> yes, did he. i'm reading his book, the book that's written about him called turbulence before take off right now. and it's amazing the parallels between him and me and what i've gone through. and i enlisted in the air force because i couldn't get to the air force academy or through pilot -- or through officer school. and so i worked my way up from the bottom using general daniel chappie jones as my here row, first black four-star general in the air force. so when i got to united and had an encounter with a captain that asked me do we have white pilots anymore, and he had notice that there was more black pilots getting hired. >> hold on. hold the phone. this is a white pilot asking you. >> yes. >> do we hire anymore white pilots? >> right. i was on a probationary check ride and i said i think so and i went ahead and done my job. come to find out this white pilot was from my hometow