marq claxton, i just want to -- okay.any times do we have to see this, a family on television here reeling from the shooting of someone close to them, not having the answers, wanting at least the body cam footage to understand what happened and not even knowing the timeline to which they will get that. >> yeah, yasmin, you know, the fact that the sheriff's department refuses to show the body worn camera footage to the family, frankly, is kind of ominous, in my estimation, because if it showed that this was an appropriate use of force, why wouldn't they show that to the family? i mean, frankly, the family deserves to see how their loved one was taken from them one way or another, but the fact that the sheriff's department is not willing to share it with the families is a bad sign, frankly, and then taking a step back, we hear, if only we had body worn camera footage, if only we had stricter use of force policies, if only we had good police department leadership, then maybe some of these problems wouldn't recur, but look at

. >> marq claxton, how would you describe what you've seen in that video? >> well to tell you the truth lawrence it seems that we have collectively, as a black community, have stuck the bill murray character where you get caught in this time loop of repetition so day after day you're stuck in the same area of incidents and occurrences. over the past couple of weeks, we've had discussions about critical decision-making processes, about the proportionality, use of force, the use of force continuum which quite frankly as kurt alluded to, should be called the coat of color continuum at this point. but too often the guidelines, the continuum's, the rules and regulations, even the law are just no match for toxic police culture which is propped up by bias both implicit and explicit bias, intolerance, and racism. and all too often, it leads to completely avoidable interactions and even worse, fatal encounters. this is not the first time that you have a police officer allege that this is because of the chief indicates that he was staying out of the investigation, ga

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and last one to you, marq claxton. is part of this that we need to start drawing police, from the communities that are being policed? because paul is absolutely right. there are too many out-of-town people policing in black neighborhoods where they have no empathy for those people. they don't see those kids as their kids. they have nothing -- no empathy for them. even the children in the community. do we need to start making policing local? >> that could offer some advantage. but i'm -- i'm not one of those people, who believes that there will be significant or substantive change, if you make people local. or even, here's one. even if you have more people who look like the people that they're enforcing laws against. if people are by toxic police culture, you will have the same level of tragedies moving forward. >> unfortunately. real talk from paul butler and marq claxton. happy weekend, gentlemen. thank you for being here. >>> next on "the reidout." dr. anthony fauci is here one day after he put a foaming-at-the-mouth

before i lose marq claxton, obama saying the fact this could even happen in the city of minneapolis goingal of chauvin and reliving the heart-wrenching murder of floyd indicates not just how important it is to conduct a full investigation but had badly we need to reimagine policing, a joint statement from the former president and former first lady. your thoughts on that, marq? >> no matter what guideline, rules, regulations or even law, those things are no match for toxic police culture which is propped up by intolerance, bias both implicit and explicit and racism and all too often leads to avoidable interactions of violence and nothing from toxic -- >> marq claxton, thank you very much. we'll stay nimble, paul, as a prosecutor, can hang with me. the hour is not over. we've been covering a lot of different important stuff. we just got news during this hour, breaking story this, is from "the new york times" on that republican representative matt gaetz facing this set of allegations regarding the doj sex trafficking probe. "the times" now reporting that the indicted gaetz associate joel gre

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. >> leading off our discussion tonight, kirk burkhalter, and marq claxton. both are retired new york city police detectives. i don't like to say retired with men so young, we'll see former new york city police detectives. professor, let me begin with you tonight. your reaction to what you thought was the most important evidence revealed in the trial today. >> well, the testimony, thank you, lawrence, first of all. the testimony by the chief was incredible. something you alluded to, sometimes you can train certain things, other times you can't. leadership starts from the top, and zero tolerance starts from the top. what you saw today was a police chief, a leader of the police department, taking accountability and presenting himself as an extremely credible witness. and explaining why that police department should have zero tolerance for these actions. i think he came off very well for the jury. and the prosecution should be pleased with his testimony. further, i believe this goes a long way to beginning the healing process between the police and communities a

. >> professor kirk berkhalter and marq claxton, thank you both for joining us again tonight. we really appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >>> coming up, we will have more on the breaking news rachel and i were just discussing from the "new york times," their report that congressman matt gaetz personally asked and privately asked for a blanket preemptive pardon for himself in the final weeks of the trump presidency. that's coming up. coming up righ. but if you're experiencing irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue or light-headedness, don't wait to contact your doctor. because these symptoms could be signs of a serious condition like atrial fibrillation. which could make you about five times more likely to have a stroke. your symptoms could mean something serious, so this is no time to wait. talk to a doctor, by phone, online, or in-person. life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment

and marq claxton, both former nypd police detectives. professor, let me begin with you. what was your reaction to the first day of the presentation of the defense's case? >> lawrence, there really weren't any surprises here. we knew the theory of the defense, that chauvin was justified and the other thing that we'll see that will not be a surprise, that they'll find a medical expert who would testify that george floyd did not die from asphyxiation. and for the right amount of compensation, you can find someone who will testify that day is night and night is day. but what was surprising was the lack of credibility with regard to the defense's witness. in all due respect, perhaps that is because the prosecution's witnesses, the overwhelming majority, were so extremely credible. and i guess the defense possibly just could not locate or find a witness who was willing to testify on their behalf to match the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses. further, the witness, the retired police officer, the use of force expert, the prosecution was really able to get him to walk b

burkhalter, criminal law professor at new york law school where he's project director, and mark marq claxtonth former nypd police detectives. kirk burkhalter, let me start with you. this trial was unlike any we have seen before. this verdict came in quickly. that was a signal to all of us about what the verdict was going to be. what are your reflections on what we got in that courtroom today? >> what we saw in this courtroom today was the way this trial began and ended, and you touched on, it lawrence, with the video, the unbeatable evidence that brave young woman darnell afrasia shot. that was evidence the defense could not overcome. that picture will be drilled into our minds will she stud next to her nine year old cousin who were a teacher that said love. that's something the defense can overcome. i think this outcome was to be expected. the other outcome of the trial that stays with me is something the governor, this didn't start with a police encounter, it started with when george floyd was born. this is what's so many people of color have to bear in this country. rather than it being t

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. >> i'm going to talk with one of those city officials right now, marq claxton and areva martin. >>>nd how do you think police have handled this situation? >> it's not the police, it's really the sheriff's department but i think they have done a job that the not so good right now. i think they are really doing an injustice to the family and having them suffering through pain fwbecause of their lack of zeal in going forward in trying to find the truth. >> it has been a whole week since andrew brown jr. was killed by the sheriff's office there. there's still so much we don't know. while a family autopsy showed brown was shot five times, police didn't disclose how many times brown was shot, exactly where he was shot or how many shots officers fired. we don't know why officers thought lethal force was justified. we haven't seen the body cam or the dash cam footage. we don't know if andrew brown jr. was armed. police haven't said one way or another. police haven't confirmed how brown died, although cnn independently obtained a copy of the death certificate. we still don't know the identit

katie phang, marq claxton, thank you for being here. >>> up next, president biden announces an accelerationthe vaccination timeline amid the spread of deadly new coronavirus variants. >>> and frankly jarring scenes like this one with maskless baseball fans packing a crowded stadium in texas. lordy. >>> plus, general russell honore joins me to discuss the results of his official review of capitol security in the wake of the january insurrection. and tonight's absolute worst is a rogue's gallery of bad actors pushing the latest right-wing fabrication about that insurrection. there's a stunning new poll that indicates how potent those lies have been. >>> plus, the latest on matt gaetz and a tribute to the late florida congressman hastings. "the reidout" continues after this. n hastings "the reidout" coinntues after this vo: calling all builders, all welders, and roofers. engineers and electricians. calling all brick masons and boiler makers. steel workers and steam fitters your country is calling you to rebuild america. to create a cleaner, safer, more prosperous future for all. tackling clima

retired nypd detective and current law enforcement analyst marq claxton says the community deserves answersily or the community wondering about what exactly happened to their loved one. it's important and transparency goes a long way when you're trying to build confidence. >> sergeant advises got one male, 42 years of age, gunshot to the back. >> reporter: the 42-year-old father of seven was shot and killed by county's sheriff's deputies wednesday as they attempted to carry out an arrest warrant for felony drug charges at brown's rental home. >> mr. brown was a convicted felon with a history of resisting arrest. our policy and training indicates under such circumstances there is a high risk of danger. >> reporter: saturday the family's lawyer says the sheriff's office told him brown was unarmed. >> there were no drugs or weapons involved. >> reporter: so far seven deputies have been placed on administrative leave. it was not clear if that number included the deputy who the sheriff has said killed brown. >> now i got to live every day, my newborn without even getting a chance to meet him at

new york law school, where he is the director of the 21st century policing project, also with us marq claxton, director of the black law enforcement alliance. both are former nypd police detectives. and professor burkhalter, what was your reaction to this first day of the presentation of the defense case? >> well lawrence, there weren't really any surprises here for a few reasons. one, we knew the theory of the defense that chauvin was justified. and the other thing we'll see that won't be a surprise is they will find a medical expert who will testify that george floyd did not die from this asphyxiation. so that's not a surprise. the other surprise is not that the amount of compensation you could find someone to testify that day is night and night is day. that is not a surprise at all. what was surprising to a certain extent was the lack of credibility with regards to the defenses witness. now in all due respect perhaps that is because the prosecutions witnesses, the overwhelming majority were so extremely credible. and i guess the defense possibly just could not locate or find a witness that