. >> my name is marr hy hamm. the economy and family are so linked, most are -- i went to a speech by patrick fagan who used to be here about how most income in this country, most wealth is generated by middle-sized companies that are family owned that ling between stable marriage, stable family life and prosperity as being another issue. it isn't just about the economy, it's the economy as fueled by the family. >> yeah, i think that increasingly people see, maybe young people see it better than others, that these things are linked. a dependence on government is often coming from somewhere else. it's not just an attraction to government or ideological commitment. it's come from somewhere. i like to point out that so many leaders in the pro-choice movement, they have stories that explain why there are defenders of abortion rights, for instance. you come across any issue and you see how experience, academic or personal experience, perfectly explains where somebody is. yeah, i think increasingly you find that. there'