the difficulty of sending humans to mars is so much greater than sending robots to mars.re are a lot of difficulties. imagine if we sent a crew to mars and something went wrong and they could not take off? and they essentially were then condemned to death on mars on live television. this is not the sort of thing that we really want to have happen. so i think a lot more precautions need to be taken before people are ready to go to mars. >> would it be easier to colonize the moon or mars? >> mars is a much more inviting environment. the moon is small and the gravity is low. there is no air which is really embarrassing if you want to take a deep wrath. so mars has a thin atmosphere. we softer bring air with us, but to mars is much more of a planets that resembles the earth. if you want to colonize and set up permanent habitats, that is a safer place. on the other hand, the moon is a lot closer. there's a good chance we will have some scientific equipment on the moon and maybe occasionally people, long before we will have it on mars. >> i agree it. i would rather live on mars

we're looking for signs of le on mars. we're looking in the project that's going to venus now to see is there life in that atmosphere. we also listen in the universe. we have a grant program for people listening in the universe for any kind of intelligent signal. so we don't know what this phenomenon is, but we sure need to find out. >> according to the report, more, quote, "scientific knowledge" may be needed to understand some of the objects. the report reads, quote... senator, there saying that our science is not good enough to understand the phenomena that was observed. i know you say we don't know what it is, but what do you think it is? >> well, i don't know. i hope it's not an adversary he on earth, because then they have technology, if that's the case, that we do not have. but the answer to your question is, i do not know. >> do you believe there's life in another part of the universe? >> i sure do. and let me tell you why. the universe is 13.5 billion years old. we're even finding now other suns that very likely h

they've landed on mars, they are only the second nation to have landed on mars. now, we have been on the surface of mars since the 19 70s, but they are the second. but what they have done just a few weeks ago. they now launched a space station, and now they have it occupied with the announcement they are partnering with russia that should give us pause as well. because they have been our partner when they were the soviet union in 1975 when we had apollo and they built the international space station with us and my opinion says they will continue to be our partner on the international space station, but we've got to watch a new space race with the chinese governments that is the space race good for exploration? >> competition is always good. >> critics would say even with russia and china teaming up, they really don't present enough of an existential threat for us to focus as we did on the space race in the 60s and 70s. >> you want for example china to have them land all of these missions but they are planning on the south pole which is the place where there shoul

supervisor mar will continue that conversation. for those listening at home to be competitive to get the funding you need to build affordable housing. the project has to be competitive with projects around the state. that is how they get the tax credit moneys for the local level. if this project is too small or not providing enough, it will not be chosen. we at the local level don't have that level of financing to fund $100 million development in one shot. we use local money and match with state and federal money. for me now thansitioning to pc -- transitioning to the dccs report. only one out of 66 samples were found to have pce. the recommendation every response to tndc was that a vapor intrusion mitigation would be done. this is not unusual in development. [please stand by] >> supervisor safai: conversation and negotiation, but we have to do more in terms of building affordable housing. so i'm speaking from experience of going through what district 4 is now in a conversation for. i also think that i encourage you to do more aggr

and i also see commissioner mar, please, go ahead. >> supervisor mar: thank you, chair chan, and director hyams, thank for the updates on the clean power smpletd f. and the integrated plan. i had a follow-up to vice-chair crews-pollock's question around the local -- you know, building out more of our local renewable energy production and i was just wanting to see what -- like, whether we have some goals around that in the integrated resource plan on -- on increasing the amount of, you know, renewable energy to that -- that we're creating here locally rather than entering into these contracts, you know, with renewable energy suppliers in other parts of the state? >> yeah, so thank you, commissioner mar. the measures that are identified in my report are the targets that came out of the 2020 intgrated resource plan. we have certainly heard from -- from this body, from advocates, about more distributed resources. and they are a part of our plan i think that the one -- the one challenge that we have, of course, is balancing affordability and costs. and that's something that we're very really f

. >> commissioner mar. absent. >> melgar. absent. >> commissioner peskin. absent. >> commissioner preston. >> present. >> commissioner ronen. >> present. >> commissioner safai. absent. >> commissioner stefani. >> present. >> commissioner walton. >> present. >> we have a quorum. >> thank you. i want to note that commissioner chanwas excused. will you please call the next item. >> i will make an announcement about public comment. public comment will be available for each item on the agenda by calling 415-655-0001. access code (187)736-6351 of the pound pound. you will be able to be a participant. when the item is call press star 3. when it is your turn to speak you will hear a message and you will be allowed two minutes to speak. calls taken in the order received. speak slowly and clear down the volume of your television or radio. item 2. chair's report. information item. >> thank you, madam clerk. colleagues, i want to thank vice-chairman delman and commissioner ronen for serving on this committee. we will consider adoption of employer and worker affordabili

supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thanks, chair haney. i just had a quick question, and thank you, mr. chu, for your presentation. you showed money for housing in the budget. i'm just wondering, is that money already budgeted for certain projects and what -- for this particular pot of affordable housing dollars, what is sort of the focus or the priority? >> right, so these -- it was already 11.4 million for cdbg, and it's scattered through a variety of programs. i'm happy to work with our director of housing development, and we're happy to get back to you how these funds are allocated for housing development. we shift these around to figure out how these are all allocated, but we're happy to get back to you with how these funds are allocated through the particular projects. >> supervisor mar: great. thank you for that. >> chair haney: thank you to supervisor mar. all right. i want to make a motion to move items 6 to 9 to the full board with a positive recommendation. madam clerk, roll call vote, please. >> clerk: yes. on that motion -- [r

but, again, it has nothing to do with human journeys to the moon or mars. why did we do that? because we could. kennedy in his 1962 speech at rice university said why do we do these things? why does rice play texas? why do we climb mt. everest? there are demonstrations of human capability that are intended to inspire us to think about what humans working together can do and eventually some think we need a planet b to get off this earth so that the human species will survive if we succeed in destroying ourselves with either climate change or nuclear weapons. i don't particularly subscribe to that as the major reason for sending people to other places in the solar system, but some very serious people including stephen hawking and elon musk subscribe to that theory. >> john, i want you to react to this social media post that has a pretty down view on private companies going into space. the privatization of space is one of the most horrifying things to ever happen in the history of our species. instead of being motivated by scientific discovery and the joy of exploration and the p

iran's stated goal is to establish 1 million persons city on mars. bezos's stated goal is to move heavy industry into outer space, deep space, and have thousands of people working in space. >> now there have been quite a bit of criticism of both jeff bezos and richard branson with the hold rich guys who can afford to go to space, or through their large u.s. can bring anyone they want into space, with them owning their own companies and being billionaires. there is no limit to what they can do, but of course not all of us are billionaires. what do you think of the criticism that they are using their money to go into this next frontier, places that other people who can't afford to can't go? >> well, i think the criticism while understandable is a little unfounded. nobody criticizes a billionaire for buying a big yacht. they are allowed to use their money as they see fit as long as they are not injuring anyone. they are not philanthropists particularly, they are people who put their own money into creating the space ability, and it's up to them how they

so this has been a really exciting year for mars exploration.rated flight on mars for the very first time, being able to operate in a very thin atmosphere, about i% of what the earth's atmosphere is. is it still giving you that warning? no. the other drone we are using has a larger payload, has a number of different cameras and zoom functions, really beautiful, but also a lidar instrument. so lidar uses light to be able to range the distance between the sensor that is emitting a set of photons and a surface. it's a world first to be able to use a drone—based lidar to image the lava flow and develop a time series topography which we can use to inform the thickness of lava, the volume, and ultimately, the amount of lava that's coming out of a volcano at a particular time. today we're mainly trying a thermal infrared camera which measures the temperature of the lava, which is a first for us to be able to do from the air with this system. even though we don't see it with our eyes we can actually map out regions that are hot and potentially having la

supervisor mar. welcome to our committee. go ahead. >> supervisor mar: thanks chair melgar. i'm actually here for another item but i'd like to thank you for the opportunity on this for bringing this landmark designation forward. kind of like the action the board just took last week to establish. just to confirm on the effort to really recognize and lift up the rich heritage of the chinese community and in this case, many different, you know, ethnic communities in our city as well as other communities and especially on the west side of the city. so thanks to the chinese historical society of america and all the advocates and i would love to be added as a co-sponsor as well. >> chairman: supervisor preston. >> supervisor preston: thank you, chair melgar and supervisor chan and also just sharing so much of this history with all of san francisco. so i would love to be added as a co-sponsor and thanks for bringing this forward. >> chairman: thank you, supervisor preston. and, supervisor chan, i would love to be added as a co-sponsor as well. thank you so much. did you want to say

okay, supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thanks, chair haney and thank you, director and emily for the update on this really important project on replacing our city trash cans. i think chair haney already asked a lot of the questions i had. i'll ask some follow-up ones. just on the testing of these prototypes, i wanted to just get a clarification -- or hopefully, a confirmation that they will be tested in different neighborhoods in the city and different types of neighborhoods, because you just mentioned, director, that working with the cbds, that makes a lot of sense, but then we don't have cbds in most of the neighborhoods of the city. and during the pandemic, i know when people were, you know, sheltering in place and working at home and in the neighborhoods more, there was just a lot more trash put into the trash cans in the residential neighborhood like the sunset and they were overflowing much more frequently. i wanted to make sure that the testing of the prototypes is going to happen in neighborhoods

supervisor mar will continue that conversation. for those listening at home to be competitive to get the funding you need to build affordable housing. the project has to be competitive with projects around the state. that is how they get the tax credit moneys for the local level. if this project is too small or not providing enough, it will not be chosen. we at the local level don't have that level of financing to fund $100 million development in one shot. we use local money and match with state and federal money. for me now thansitioning to pc -- transitioning to the dccs report. only one out of 66 samples were found to have pce. the recommendation every response to tndc was that a vapor intrusion mitigation would be done. this is not unusual in development. [please stand by] >> supervisor safai: conversation and negotiation, but we have to do more in terms of building affordable housing. so i'm speaking from experience of going through what district 4 is now in a conversation for. i also think that i encourage you to do more aggr

you can land the rocket on a boat, build a spaceship it's going to go to mars. it's not like you are going and waiting for a government contract to come through or the program is goingng to be canceld because can congress change. he has a track record for getting success done so as one of the engineers told me he said it was a trade i was willing to make for the opportunity. and so, he realizes that but lealso expects it. i don't want to say that he uses people up, but he expects people to give their all. >> early on in the book they went head to head with a couple of other regulatoryho authoriti. canyo you talk about that some? >> before they launched their first rockets, -- sued northrop grumman, lockheed and boeing, the biggest competitors in the space industry. they protested the department of defense. this is someone who's breaking some eggs on the way to space. that is just how he acts. if he feels he has been wronged, he will fight back. and it doesn't always help him because he comes across as brash and may be unreliable but in the end he typically does

and good morning to supervisors safai and mar. i am project manager at the mayor's office of community and housing development. i'm here on items 5 through 7 related to the bond issuance of the sunnydale hope s.f. block and 151 and 351 friedell street, known as the hunters point shipyard. the purpose of the resolutions is to approve the hearing for the city conducted for 600 7th street to comply with the act. and enable all three projects to apply for tax exempt bond. it will not require the city to pledge any of its funds to the repayment of the bond. 600 7th street, is a multi-family housing project on the corner of 7th and brandon street. 54% of the units will serve homeless households, adults and families, subsidized by the city's operating subsidy program. the remaining units will serve family households with incomes ranging between 50% and 80% of the income known as a.m.i. item 6 is for a housing project on sunnydale avenue. sunnydale is within the second phase of the hope s.f. revitalization of sunnydale and the building wi

you can build a spaceship that's going to go to mars. it's not like you were going there and waiting forre governmt contract to come through or -- the program is going to be canceled because congress changed it. he has a track record of getting things done so is one of the engineers who left said, look i gave 15 years, the best years of my life and it was the trade i was going to make for thehe opportunity. so he realizes that but he also expects it. i don't want to say he uses people but i mean he expects people to give their all. >> yeah and early on in the book you talk about that he went head-to-head with nasa and a couple of other authorities so how did that fearlessness in the beginning help?ut >> before they launched their first rocket spacex had sued northrop-grumman and lockheed and boeing and the u.s. aerospace industry. they protested nasasp and the government at their own expense. this is someone who is breaking some eggs on the way to space and that is just how he acts. if he feels like he has been wronged you will fight bac

thank you, supervisor mar. good morning everyone. chair preston and members chan and mandelman. nice to see you this morning. i'd like to thank you for the opportunity to have us share our progress on the recommendations from the b.l.a.'s office and that 2020 office of h.s.h.. i'd particularly like to thank the b.l.a. for working so smoothly with us. and i'm actually going to wait. i'm going to pause just for a second to get our slides up. >> okay. >> apologies. all. i'm showing that my screen is sharing. are you not able to see the slide? >> we can see it. we can see the first slide. the title. >> there we go. apologies. >> great. i'm sorry. i couldn't see it but glad to know it's there. so if we move to the second slide. so, you know, i just want to preface by saying that we have made a lot of progress over the year on the items of concern in the audit. and the audit included four main recommendations to the department. all of these are under way and were also under way at the time of the report. since the pu

so this has been a really exciting year for mars exploration.very first time, being able to operate in a very thin atmosphere, about 1% of what the earth's atmosphere is. but it was relatively limited in terms of the instrument suite that it carries, basically cameras. just pouring down, that's a lava waterfall on that side. the next generation of mars drones will be able to have a range of other capabilities. small drones offer a lot of advantages, they are lightweight, they do very well in relatively high winds, and they can be used and carried to rather extreme environments. 100 metres up... if something catastrophic happens with them, the costs aren't prohibitive. it lets you test things in ways you wouldn't necessarily with a larger system. i think that's just about the fastest spot right there. some people have even taken small drones and flown into the volcano, acquiring phenomenal imagery — destroyed in the process but really beautiful to watch. is it still giving you that warning? no. the other drone we are using has a larger payload, h

veces las personas que vienen y toman hace cosas de forma descuidada que pueden ser mortales con el marncia porque muchos turistas desconocen la fuerza de las olas del norte del pacífico y lo explican solo hace unas semanas, su hija fue arrastrada por el mar y le pide a la comunidad tener cuidado >>> cuando vayan a visitar las bonitas playas del condado san mateo, con cuidado y respeten el mar, hacen su carrera y sé que en las condiciones del mar >>> pedraza noticiero telemundo 48 >>> vean este accidente que involucró 5 vehículos incluyendo un bote y un remolque. fue en la autopista 180 según autoridades del condado alameda, debido al impacto el bote presentó una zona de combustible, no se reportaron heridos >>> el departamento de justicia del estado ha abierto oficinas en todo california para investigar tiroteos policiales. hay civiles que estaban desarmados. susana gonzález nos explica >>> su papel esencial es defender al estado de california pero ahora el departamento de justicia del estado por ley se va a involucrar en casos donde un oficial le dispara una persona no armada y muere.

elon's stated goal was a million persons on mars.nd to move heavy industry into deep space, and have thousands of people working in space. jesse: now, there has been quite a bit of criticism of jeff bezos and richard branson, with the whole rich guys who can't afford to go to space, or through their largess can bring anyone they want into space, with them owning their own companies and billionaires -- and being billionaires. there is no limit to what they can do, but not all of us are billionaires. what you think of the criticism that they are using their money to go into this next frontier, places that other people who can't afford to, can't go? john: i think the criticism, while understandable, is a little unfounded. nobody criticizes a billionaire for buying a big god. they are allowed to use their money as long as they are not injuring anybody else. they are not philanthropists particularly, they are people who put their own money into creating this, and it is understandable that they want to use it. jesse: have these companies b

supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thanks, chair haney. i just had a quick question, and thank you, mr. chu, for your presentation. you showed money for housing in the budget. i'm just wondering, is that money already budgeted for certain projects and what -- for this particular pot of affordable housing dollars, what is sort of the focus or the priority? >> right, so these -- it was already 11.4 million for cdbg, and it's scattered through a variety of programs. i'm happy to work with our director of housing development, and we're happy to get back to you how these funds are allocated for housing development. we shift these around to figure out how these are all allocated, but we're happy to get back to you with how these funds are allocated through the particular projects. >> supervisor mar: great. thank you for that. >> chair haney: thank you to supervisor mar. all right. i want to make a motion to move items 6 to 9 to the full board with a positive recommendation. madam clerk, roll call vote, please. >> clerk: yes. on that motion -- [r

thank you, supervisor mar. good morning everyone. chair preston and members chan and mandelman. nice to see you this morning. i'd like to thank you for the opportunity to have us share our progress on the recommendations from the b.l.a.'s office and that 2020 office of h.s.h.. i'd particularly like to thank the b.l.a. for working so smoothly with us. and i'm actually going to wait. i'm going to pause just for a second to get our slides up. >> okay. >> apologies. all. i'm showing that my screen is sharing. are you not able to see the slide? >> we can see it. we can see the first slide. the title. >> there we go. apologies. >> great. i'm sorry. i couldn't see it but glad to know it's there. so if we move to the second slide. so, you know, i just want to preface by saying that we have made a lot of progress over the year on the items of concern in the audit. and the audit included four main recommendations to the department. all of these are under way and were also under way at the time of the report. since the pu

but on mars they are called mars quakes.ng the seismic waves as they rippled through the red planet. the other robot focused on the surface. they are expected to collect it's first rock any day now. for the first time in history, nasa has company. in may china became the second country in the world to successfully land a rover on mars. nasa administrator bill nelson testified to congress that the images beamed back from the rover should be a wake-up call. >> we are suddenly realizing that we don't own all of this. and it is a very aggressive competitor. >> reporter: kristen fisher, cnn, washington. >> thanks so much for joining us. anderson starts now. >>> good evening. we begin with five words that define where we are in the pandemic. acknowledge the war has changed. those words come from a slide present, a strengths within the cdc. the war has changed. because the enemy has. the delta variant according to the cdc presentation travels as easily as chickenpox, meaning every person, each person can infect on average as many a

tuvo algo que ver que el edificio estuviera al borde del mar?empo al agua de mar.e los edificios estÉn expuestos por >> no sabemos aÚn las causas oficiales del derrumbe del edificio, pero sÍ que los expertos estÁn estudiando entre otras cosas su ubicaciÓn. edificio, pero sÍ que el edificio se encuentra en el norte de miami beach, un cayo rodeado casi totalmente por agua, al frente, el mar. a solo 1300 pies de distancia, con todo lo que esto implica. >> la penetraciÓn del agua salada cada vez mÁs corrosiva por el cambio climÁtico, que puede llegar a afectar las estructuras. >> este reporte de 2018 indicaba que tenÍa graves efectos. Él es experto en prevenciÓn de riesgos del medio ambiente, no a que tenÍa graves efectos. ha examinado el edificio, traen a sus espaldas decenas de rescates en desastre como este por todo el mundo. >> el edificio tiene 40 aÑos de existencia, si no existieran las normas de hormigÓn de hoy dÍa, normas de hormigÓn el agua del mar pudo apurar el proceso. >> expertos seÑalan que es demasiado pronto para concluir si el aumen

supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thank you. this is a tremendously important initiative to elevate the unique cultural i'd fee and historic role of chinese businesses, residents, and organizations in the sunset district for over 60 years. it will also foster leadership and collaboration to support the resiliency and vitality in the space of many challenges, including gentrification, the loss of many small businesses, and antiasian hate. as we were getting input on priority community needs through the sunset forward process, many spoke about the importance of increasing support for the chinese community in the sunset to address its unique challenges and ensure that this important cultural community is able to thrive into the future, and i really want to acknowledge supervisor ronen's leadership in sponsoring the legislation that really creates the current framework for our city's cultural district strategy. the sunset chinese cultural district is in line with that framework. i want to thank all of the stakeholders for their comm

estamos creando carga limpia si queremos demostrar que el problema del cambio climático es en el mar. >> la mayoría de la gente no lo vemos, no lo sabemos pero bien lo dice, el problema está en el mar y la economía precisamente en el transporte marítimo va a subir los próximos años, un 250%, así que este modelo tiene que cambiar. >> esperando que se haga próximamente, con la cantidad de agua que tenemos en la tierra es un problema grande. >> este barco se va a lanzar el próximo año, va a ser un prototipo, vamos a estar pendientes para ver si cambiamos este modelo por un mar más limpio. >> vamos a hablar de los mares, qué es lo que sucede en los juegos olímpicos, en japón y es que vea usted el acercamiento, es un sistema de depresión tropical, sus dientes son de 35 millass por hora, está exactamente el centro del sistema norte de la isla japonesa, todavía por eso vemos a nuestros compañeros de telemundo con esas chamarras, algunas lluvias dispersas y vea nada más el tamaño del sistema, abarca la isla tanto en ambos litorales. perdiendo fuerza, un invitado que no fue invitado y que ha

>> chair mar: great, thank you, mr. clerk.in, vice chair stefani, for bringing this other important legislation forward. i understand you have a motion you'd like to make? >> supervisor stefani: yes, thank you, chair mar, for scheduling this item. i'd like to introduce an amendment which i shared with your office this morning. and the amendment aligns with the reporting requirements with quarterly reporting requirements that already exist in the police code. after we take these amendments, i'd like to continue this item to the call of the chair. there are some important policy questions that i would like to get answers before this item is heard before the committee, but i would request that we continue it to the call of the chair, but we hear it as soon as possible. i introduced this legislation because i was hearing rumblings from the domestic violence community that cases were not being prosecuted. and rather than just going on anecdotal evidence, i got that evidence from the police department. they reported 131 domestic vio

he says that they are not from mars, they are from venus.f scully is right about them being from venus, he is wrong about them being short. he says they are about 5'6", they are humanoid and very beautiful. and adamski also says that they are not a threat. he says "the coming was friendly." now, adamski is going to lose popular support in the 1960's after he claims that he will be leaving any day now for an interplanetary conference on saturn and somehow never quite makes his appointment for that. but his ideas, his narrative that there are these friendly visitors has very much caught on. and throughout the 1950's, you see this series of encounters with extraterrestrial beings who have seemingly come to warn humanity about our warlike nature, to warn us that nuclear weapons will destroy us all. a very pure distillation of common cold war fears at the time. cold war fears also bearing no small resemblance to the 1951 film "the day the earth stood still," which is basically the exact same plot that adamski recounts two years later. but nobody

you can do a station that's going to go to mars. and it's not like you're going there waiting for a government contract to come through or your, the program is going to be canceled because congress changed. he has a track record of getting success done. one engineer who left, he said look. he 15 years, the best years of my life was a tray. it was a trade i was willing to make for theopportunity . so he realizes that but he also expected. he's just left, i don't want to say he uses people up. but he expects people to give all. >> i feel like he has the same attitude towards regulators. early on you with had had with nasa and with a couple other regulatory authorities. how did that fearlessness i guess the beginning or can you talk about that? >> even before they launched their first rockets, space x sued roman, boeing and lockheed, the biggest competitors in the space industry. they protested nasa, to of the. this is the one writing some eggs on the way to space. and that is just sort of how he acts. if he feels he's been wrong, he w

>> chair mar: great, thank you, mr. clerk. thanks, again, vice chair stefani, for bringing this other important legislation forward. i understand you have a motion you'd like to make? >> supervisor stefani: yes, thank you, chair mar, for scheduling this item. i'd like to introduce an amendment which i shared with your office this morning. and the amendment aligns with the reporting requirements with quarterly reporting requirements that already exist in the police code. after we take these amendments, i'd like to continue this item to the call of the chair. there are some important policy questions that i would like to get answers before this item is heard before the committee, but i would request that we continue it to the call of the chair, but we hear it as soon as possible. i introduced this legislation because i was hearing rumblings from the domestic violence community that cases were not being prosecuted. and rather than just going on anecdotal evidence, i got that evidence from the police department. they reported 131

supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thank you. this is a tremendously important initiative to elevate the unique cultural i'd fee and historic role of chinese businesses, residents, and organizations in the sunset district for over 60 years. it will also foster leadership and collaboration to support the resiliency and vitality in the space of many challenges, including gentrification, the loss of many small businesses, and antiasian hate. as we were getting input on priority community needs through the sunset forward process, many spoke about the importance of increasing support for the chinese community in the sunset to address its unique challenges and ensure that this important cultural community is able to thrive into the future, and i really want to acknowledge supervisor ronen's leadership in sponsoring the legislation that really creates the current framework for our city's cultural district strategy. the sunset chinese cultural district is in line with that framework. i want to thank all of the stakeholders for their comm

you can build a spaceship that's going to go to mars. and it's not like you're going there and waiting for a government contract to come through or you're, you know -- the program's going to be cancelled because congress changed, like, he has a track record for getting success done. and so as one of your engineers who left told me, he said, look, you know, i gave 15 years, the best years of my life, and it was a trade i was willing to make for the opportunity. and so he realizes that, but he also expects it, like, he's just like -- i mean, i don't want to say he uses people up, but i mean, he expects people to give their all. >> yeah, and i feel like there's the same attitude towards regulators. early on in the book, you were talking about he went head-to-head with nasa and a couple other regulatory authorities. how did that fearlessness i guess in the beginning help? can you talk about that some? >> even before they launched their first rocket space x had sued northup grumman, lockheed and boeing, the biggest competitors in the airspace

i think we'll be on mars in the next decade. but permanent human presence for long-term, for individuals, i don't think that is in the cards. i hope not. because that means we've really screwed up this planet. >> you think will be humans on mars by the next decade. >> by the end of the 2030s, that is the plan and it is not just the united states and our international partners but you look at what china is talking about. everybody is talking about having humans in the martian -- and we're on course to do that as was just mentioned by your guest. if government continues to put the money into it that is needed to allow the private sector to support us in the way that their beginning to do now. it is not going to be easy but i think it is something that we have on our plan and something we can accomplish. >> charles, how much -- i mean are you excited, you know nasa very well. are you excited by kind of these young people coming into aerospace industry, coming into -- interested in space exploration, coming up with innovative compan

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