marshall lewis, monica's mother rented a duplex apartment and her sister deborah and her mother also had an apartment, this sorsort of like the familye their roots there and so marcia rents the apartment and then invites monica to live with her. i got to interview both the prior tenets so into that there's a moment of how monica is introduced so i interview bob dole who is doing actually pretty well. i ask about this and at the time it was funny reading the stories about him just joking with the press corps he would like to go out and entertain them and at one point he started to develop all sorts of jokes and said i must have been elected president, look at all these people. then he was the spokesman for dunkin' donuts. so then it was really funny. but one other notice is you know, if they ever knew i might be interested in combining it with mayan and they are famous people but they are thinking the way that you and i would think about real estate, so they are like this is really tragic and i should call my realtor. so he tells the story in the book and without giving anything away

question after question after question, one of the justices, a very polite, portly lewis powell, leans over to thurgood marshall and says, do you think he knows we are here? that is the story i've heard. susan: you have made the case that the court wanted to hear the best arguments on both sides. one viewer tweets, "they needed someone more than a twentysomething junior on the stateside." prof. amar: remember, that is florida's call. the sovereign state of florida with its vast resources could have picked anyone it wanted. it is a bit of a problem that florida maybe could have sent a whole team of lawyers. susan: can you encapsulate the arguments made by each side? mr. clement: i will try. i will try with the fortas side. if you want to try with the state side. abe fortas knows he is in a position of strength, so he needs to do a couple things. he needs to make clear to the court that this is the right case to overrule betts v. brady. he is in an odd position, because the supreme court doctrine says that if there are special circumstances, special disabilities for the defendant, then you are entitled to counsel

the bench, and he is asking question after question, one of the justices, a very lewis powell leans over to thurgood marshall and says, do you think he knows that we are here? that is the story i've heard. susan: you have made the story that the court wanted here the best arguments on both sides. they needed someone more than a twentysomething junior on the state. akhil: that is the call of florida. soon to all its resources, it could have picked anyone? so maybe it was a problem for florida. they could've sent a team of lawyers if they wanted to. susan: can you encapsulate the arguments made by each side? paul: i will try. i will try with the florida side -- fortas side. he knows he is in a position of strength, so he needs to do a couple things. one is that he needs to make clear to the court that this is the right case to overrule betts v. brady. he is in an odd position, because the supreme court doctrine says that if there are special circumstances, special disabilities for the defendant, then you are entitled to counsel, even under the betts rule. so in an odd way, he has to argue against his own inter