for this film, was released, and it is actually a film about a couple about a couple, ivan and marta dzyubaiy trimbachis was a consultant, you were there, you were on the last birthday, there is in this film. where are you in the summer of 2021 on july 26, on july 26 you are celebrating ivan dzyuba's 90th birthday, so i understand that you belonged to the circle of people who we talked, we knew ivan and marta dzyub for a long time, let's start with how you remember this person, we know him as a brilliant intellectual, one of the best literary experts, cultural experts of ukraine, he is the author of more than 20 books about ukrainian culture, literature, one of the co-founders of the people's movement, and so on, a lot can be said about him, and if you remember ivan dzyuba, well, i met him at the end of the 80s, during perestroika, when all this was already happening, we were going somewhere, there was some cultural action, something cultural like that, well, like then, anyway there was a rumble, everything was noisy, reconstruction, and we were going somewhere, and i sat next to him, i kne

marta, not ivan dzyuba, because ivan dzyuba died just before the start of a full-scale war, and in generalfilm, ivan tyuba also suggests to the director, why don't you call the film marta and ivan, not ivan and marta, you see, ma'am marta became the main character in... this film, well, i will tell you that like almost all films of sergei bukovsky, this film is extremely sweet, but it is simply extremely soulful, because the way mrs. marta recalls meeting her husband, it's some kind of combination of romance and humor, sometimes that's enough caustic, and because mrs. marta tells when she, she lived in lviv and when they came to visit not such tours, fashionable kyiv writing. she went there and she went to see pavlychko first of all, but there were also performances by drachi, vin granovsky, by the way , she didn't like him, she called him a pale toadstool, but he's an asshole, she said nothing like that, and he immediately got her liked, she says that he came to her at this party and did not leave her all day, all evening, and the next day appointed date, also for the evening, she got up

national, views and the concept of communism, in fact, yes, of course, and although at the same time marta dzyubas that ivan was a person...' fearless, brave, and in him, and she even emphasizes that i am a galician, well, traditionally, galicians are liberals, they are brave people, ukrainians, but what about donbas, it's clear, what can i say here , but, but here it turned out, he says that i, i was of two minds, that i knew that this should be said in such situations, here and there it is possible in a different way, i say that this did not happen in iban, what he thought, he as i believed, as i thought, as i said, forget it. circumstances, and he was a brave person, that means, but at the same time ivan mykhailovych himself said more than once, well, what, well, he was a naive person, and, but he believed in communism, yes, in communist leftist ideas, what are leftist ideas, that is, most ukrainian writers were national communists, that is, they believed that ukraine could be built with the help of...' with the participation of left-wing ideas, communist ideas, dovzhenko was like that, he bel

the tender relationships that they brought, through their whole lives, about the guardian angel marta dzyuba , this film, by the way, i liked it because it is not stereotypical, that is, everyone expects, most people, that when it comes to the sixties, now it will be about heroism, and not about some other squeamishness and romance. all people, and they were very honest, people with a conscience, and they did not think that they were heroes, marta is absolutely right here, i was not a hero, and i did not want to be a hero, they lived like that, and very often heroes, well, this rather applies to feature films, when they film someone, especially now the trend, when they make feature films about people who are still alive, these people don't like films, they say margaret thatcher, there's a film about her, in a documentary, maybe a little easier, i don't know, but still they often complain , or after watching, i understand that it is scary to show your heroes an already edited film, what mrs. marta said when she watched this tape for the first time and whether she asked you to cut something or

gentle eyes, and it turns out that ivan dzyuba, the leader of a generation with whom everyone was in love, has already been rejected by this generation, because ms. marta fil' mentions that when he left this sizo, he was only met, she says , kochur, yes, tobacconist grihyr, and several other people, all the rest transitioned to another age, and part of the people simply condemned him, the ukrainian intelligentsia , yes, in particular the luminaries, in particular stus, stus wrote terrible words about ivan dzyuba, and on the other hand, part of the people were afraid of him, as if he was a person disloyal to authorities er, how do you answer for yourself regarding this compromise, where is the limit of compromise, now there was a story, i also prepared it, i wrote it out for myself, so there was a story when last year, literally last year, the kyiv rada, and the kyiv rada , kyivans who wanted that, bazhena avenue, amrosia buchma street, the street... pavlo tychyna and leonid pervomaiskyi in kyiv should be renamed, because these people cooperated, collaborated with the soviet regime, where for you is the limit of collaboration with the soviet regime, by

the main character was dzyuba, ivan mykhailovych, but by the time everything was already there was already a motor-camera, as they say, ah, and he got tired very quickly, and martana was absolutely right that he did not really want this film, he is a very modest person, and to him, well, this is not his cup of tea coffee to be there, a public person, he was working a lot at that time, we dreamed, but unfortunately it happened, to shoot such a plot line, which was prescribed even in ours. synopsis scenarios, how they work together with mrs. marta, when he was writing something, an article or a book, the two of them sat together and she listened, he read something, they corrected something, it was so very often such a comical situation, like the wife sits and listens, and what did the husband write, and they argued a lot there, in essence, well, what was taken, was taken, and there are many such... internal things, moments, family things that i simply cannot tell, they are already like that, the moments are closed to the viewer, well, that's how it happens in documentary cinema, it's not a feature film, that's why, that's why we put everything on marta's shoulders

marta, by serhiy bukovsky, serhiy bukovsky for such glue, as a basis, takes two sirens , a siren that sounded on september 4, 1965 in the cinema of ukraine, where shadows of forgotten ancestors premiered and where dzyuba first to speak and said that today is a tragic day, today is a happy day, but also a tragic one, and began to list who was arrested from ukrainian intellectuals then, and in response to this, the administration of the cinema of ukraine, they turned on the siren, with this is where serhii bukovsky's film about ivan begins dzyuba, and with that he ends the film, but this siren already sounds later, during the russian-ukrainian war, in the first months. 2022, what did you, when you first heard about what happened in the ukraine cinema in 1965, you know, when i heard already in the early 90s, about what happened in 1965 year when you found out about it, no , well, in 1965 i was still a schoolboy in alexandria and i definitely didn't hear about it, well, you understand that information was blocked at that time. any, well, they knew about it in kyiv, so i'm somewhere already in some third or fourth year, someone, someone told, well, about porodzhanov, there are a lot of all kinds of things,

character was dzyuba, ivan mykhailovych, but on that the time when everything had already happened, and already the motor-camera, as they say, and he also got tired very quickly, and and and marta asked him not to... torture him too much, because he, by the way, marta volodymyrivna was absolutely right that he did not really want this film, he is a very modest person, and for him, well, this is not his time. horses to be a public person there, he was working a lot at that time, we dreamed, but it didn’t happen, unfortunately, to film such a storyline, which we had written even in our synopsis script, how they work together with mrs. marta, when he was writing something, some kind of article or a book, the two of them sat and she listened, he read something, they read something, it was like this - very often such a comical situation, as the wife sits and listens, and what the husband wrote, and they argued a lot, significantly, well , what was removed, was removed, and there are many such - internal things, family moments, which i simply cannot tell, they are already like that, and the moments are closed to the viewer, well, that’s how it happens in documentary cinema, it’s not