martha jones who is the author of this incredible book. the society of alumni professor of history and professor of the johns hopkins university. she is a historian. those are jones is the author of this incredible book vanguard of women -- selected as one of "time" magazine 100 must-read books for 2020 and i could not agree more. her 2018 but worth are a citizen of a citizen of the history the race rights in antebellum america published in 2018 won multiple awards and i'm not even going to try to read all the awards that one a lot. professor jones is author of all bound up together published in 2007 and she is the coeditor of --. welcome dr. jones. it's nice to virtually be with you this morning. we have this incredible book written by kate masur a professor at northwestern university and specializes in history of race politics and law in the 19th century in the united states pursues the author of the book until justice be done america's first movement from the revolution to reconstruction published by norton in 2021 and has written other

say emancipation and reconstruction which coming off your essay on democracy as well as martha jones on citizenship really demonstrates the incredible difference that african americans made to the entire country. to everything we at least claim to value these days and i'm not even sure how much we value them but as a sort of the pinnacle of what the united states is meant to represent so that you have the second founding or a rebirth of the nation or however. that's one possibility but the other is whether we challenge the whole idea of origins and that they necessarily are so deeply distorted the nations or societies that it's almost impossible to come to terms with what they conceal. so instead of searching for a new origin you kind of say this is one of our problems with origin stories. so i was bemoaning those for a number of days because i think it's a great insight on your part but it brings alternative interesting questions. >> i think it's all about provocative questions that we should be devoting in classrooms and in colleges. we call this area origin story. not the origin s

say emancipation and reconstruction which coming off your essay on democracy as well as martha jones on citizenship really demonstrates the incredible difference that african americans made to the entire country. to everything we at least claim to value these days and i'm not even sure how much we value them but as a sort of the pinnacle of what the united states is meant to represent so that you have the second founding or a rebirth of the nation or however. that's one possibility but the other is whether we challenge the whole idea of origins and that they necessarily are so deeply distorted the nations or societies that it's almost impossible to come to terms with what they conceal. so instead of searching for a new origin you kind of say this is one of our problems with origin stories. so i was bemoaning those for a number of days because i think it's a great insight on your part but it brings alternative interesting questions. >> i think it's all about provocative questions that we should be devoting in classrooms and in colleges. we call this area origin story. not the origin s

to that extent but there is kind of an extent in many essays and certainly excluding yours and martha jones and a couple of others, sort of what's explained is how problematic things are, how deeply the challenges we now face are rooted in the past, and you kind of come away and think, i don't know, and you know, where are we, what sort of, what is history teaching us except not much happens, you know, we're sort of in the same place? >> i mean i don't think that this is a hopeful book, and i don't know that the work of history should try to give you hope, optimistic or pessimistic, but i guess what, when i think about this book, i think that if we want to be hopeful, that we can change our society and make progress. it has to be built on honesty about what happened. and we have to acknowledge that the past does shape where we are in our society. so the second to the last essay in the book of course is ibrim candy on progress, i think it's a brilliant essay. >> a brilliant essay. >> and it really speaks to the lack of urgency that we kind of comforting narrative gives us, of course there's

but there is kind of the extent it has almost excluded martha jones and a couple -- what is explained is how problematic things are. how deeply the challenges we now face are rooted in the past. he kind of come away and think i don't know. where are we? what is history teaching us except not much happens we are in the same place. >> i don't think this is a helpful book. and i don't know that the work of history should try to be helpful, optimistic or pessimistic. but i guess when i think about this book, if we want to be hopeful we can change our society and make progress and have honesty on what happened. we have to acknowledge the past doesn't shape where we are in the society. so the second to the last essay is on progress. i think it's a very good essay. it really speaks to the lack of urgency these narratives give us. my dad has a sharecropping farm i was not brief look at the gap is identical my dad was born on a sharecropping farm. the incarceration rate had increased. there are so many measures could be counterfactual to say there's not been progress. i think the argument is a

in lewiston bay to the head of the philadelphia school district trade professors robert george, martha jones and jeffries spread a lot of light in our classes and then we have three judges from the third circuit talk about the cases that they decided before the supreme court decided involving school free speech and religious liberty in the election cases. now i have the extraordinary honor of bringing together gordon was in his colleagues to discuss his new book. i will introduce them and then i will ask gordon would to put on the table the central arguments which i read with lots of attention. you know ladies and gentlemen gordon was the dean of the historians, all of us have learned from his pathbreaking work on the ideas at the center of the american founding and he's distilled a lifetime of wisdom in this new book which you couldn't do better on constitution day, he will be joined in talking about the book by a colleague that i need to put on my constitutional reading glasses in order to get their titles right. here we go i will introduce them in them will jump into it. gordon wood is a

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