scoffers will tell you that the martha lights are the lights of automobiles travelling north from prisonay 60 seven. —— from presidio. or the lights on aeroplanes, or ranches on mitchell flight, or a border patrol helicopter. many people who think they are seeing the martha lights are undoubtedly looking at automobile headlights or ranch lights. but it is clear that there were other lights out there before they were either automobiles or electricity, and they are still out there. i grew up in martha. i was worn in 19 —— 1950. so i've been around, i have seen the lights and i've heard about them all my life. we show the lights regularly to people from our ranch. today we are in front of the viewing centre which is on the road between martha and alpine. it does cause some confusion because of the way it is pointed. the orientation points you to wear it is easy to be misled by automobile lives. —— where it is easy. which are coming up from hills, which are coming up from presidio. not very many people know that from right here, there is a mesquite tree right there, and if you stand about te

i have never seen the martha lights.see them is in the winter. a couple of hours after sundown, or a couple of hours before sunrise. a couple of hours after sundown in the winter is my suppertime. and a couple of hours before sunrise is my sleeping time. and besides that, it's cold out there in the viewing station in wintertime. but i believe they are there. at least, i believe something is there. because i know a lot of reliable people who have seen some sort of light out there. scoffers will tell you that the marfa lights are the lights of automobiles travelling north from presidio on highway 67, or the lights of aeroplanes, or ranchers on mitchell flats, or a border patrol helicopter. many people who think they are seeing the marfa lights are undoubtedly looking at automobile headlights or ranch lights. but it is clear that there were other lights out there before there were either automobiles or electricity, and they are still out there. i grew up in marfa. i was born in 1950. so i've been around, i have seen the lig

lights regularly to people from our ranch. today we're in front of the viewing centre which is on the road between martha and alpine. se of the way it's pointed. the orientation points you to where it's easy to be misled by automobile lights, which are coming up from presidio and 0jinaga. not very many people know that from right here, there is a mesquite tree right there, and if you stand about ten yards from the mesquite tree and look straight ahead, there's a bush, there's another green bush, and you'lljust see a line, if you really look, of little green bushes that form a line out to a tree, and that tree is about a mile and a half away. right over the tree is where the lights are. i don't remember a single time that someone didn't say, have you seen the marfa lights? so now when people ask if i've seen the lights, i say, have you seen the lights? and most of them haven't. but the ones that have, they are the ones who are really interested in knowing what the lights are. came here about three years ago, to marfa, and immediately fell for the landscape. i was stalking the lights every night. i think maybe i saw so

. >> martha: new interview that is shedding a lot of light and raising a lot of the new questions aboutarry naszar abuse. the karolyi finally speak out about what was going on at their ranch. there is shocking and disturbing new details with what was happening about dr. naszar. we'll hear from the olympics teammates. jordan weaver her take on this. and there is a details of the bombshell story, trace. >> they first made a name for themselves in 1976 olympics. and they defected to the u.s. and built a bigger gym nachltic's powerhouse and wining 97 world championships and bella and marta. strict routine and exacting stand arounds and now facing two lawsuits filed by the former gymanist of hitting and scratching athlete and with holding food and water and making comments about their weight. they deny the abuse but admit there is a price to pay for protection. >> emotionally, it depends on the person. you have to be a strong person to handle the pressure. maybe you say you are overweight. but in order to be a good gymanist you have to have the right strength and weight. >> but the form are

also interesting in light of this new information. >> martha: answering some questions on that. jessica, james comey would say, i was trying to give him a heads up that this was out there. >> that was his duty to do that. i would say, though, i agree with mollie, what congress and peter king was saying. i think there is a tremendous amount of damage being done to our institutions from this comey book tour, what is coming out on a public forum about andrew mccabe and what he lied about or not lied about. these are things that i think we don't need to be privy to all the dirty details of. it is certainly in the book at this point. my real concern is that james comey is going to have to testify as a witness in an ongoing investigation. while he's out here in a press junket. i don't see how someone who was leader of the fbi and who does take these institutions so seriously can think that this is a good idea. >> it raises questions about that. >> also, these memos were written, they were done kind of been an interesting fashion, that first memo, prospect on my properly classified, it

. >> martha: now "chappaquiddick" being told in a whole new light.y" exclusive, we speak with mary jo's cousin. she tells us what ted kennedy told them and reveals the news that made mary jo's parents feel like they lost her all over again. >> what kind of a person would allow her to stay in that water for ten hours? use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it. at a comfort inn with a glow taround them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com." who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com. >> after bobby was killed, i wanted to run this place. what would you have done? what would you have done? >> i'd quit, leave washington, never look back. which is exactly what i did. >> martha: that's from the new movie "chappaquiddick" which opens tonight. it was the night that ended a young woman's life and ted kennedy's white house aspirations. this telling wire copy was one of the first

lights off. we don't have funding and our classrooms to be effective. >> martha: you must wonder where all the moneydy pays taxes across the state. in most cases, they don't go down, they go up over the years. you have to wonder why things used to be better in schools and i was in such a mess. >> and oklahoma, we've seen a cut to education over the last ten years, $200 million and that's what you're asking for back. in oklahoma, it's easier to cut taxes than it is to raise taxes. the plan passed last week by our legislator is the first increased in taxes in over 30 years. we've had our state revenue go down rather than go up. >> martha: what would you say to mary fallin who is up next? what would you say to the governor? you have the platform. >> my message would be to fund our school. we are content with the pay raise at this point, but we need funding for our school so we can keep our support personnel so we can have appropriate resources so we can do our jobs effectively. i can't teach my students if they don't have the resources they need to be successful. i teach high school. school biology. >>

martha: joining me now unset, senator lindsey graham. good to see you. nice to have you with us. what do you make of that? this information that surreptitiously comes to lighticant moments? we know that he's established a pattern of sharing information with the press in order to make his case. >> i think he's trying to sell a book. he is no longer the director of the fbi. you have to remember he had the law professor and leak notes about the conversation for the express purpose of having special counsel. he's trying to set trump up to have a special counsel, but he also told jim risch, i never felt intimidated regarding any of these meetings. i don't think there's any chance and obstruction of justice case lies against the president unless you can show that he, the president colluded with russia. i have no evidence of it. when it comes to comey, he needs to come back to congress and ask questions about while you were director, did you not know that the lead investigator of the clinton email investigation hated trump and liked clinton? they were talking about an insurance policy to make sure that clinton won. what kind of outfit are you running here? >> mart

. >> martha: thank you so much paid one man caught in the middle of all of us, an american veteran turned journalist would back to syria in 2012 hoping to shed lighthuman suffering there. austin tice, described as his parents -- by his parents as a man who loves america, good student, graduate of georgetown school of foreign service and still enrolled in the law school they are. a veteran marine corps captain, a talented freelance photographer, and a loving big brother. in august of 2012, he was kidnapped while he was reporting in syria. just a days after his 31st birthday. before he disappeared, he posted on facebook a message to friends and family who had questioned why he would stay in such a dangerous place and here's what austin said. i'm living in a place at a time and with the people where life means more than anywhere i have ever been because every single day, people hear it laid down their own for the sake of others. coming here to syria is the greatest thing i have ever done and it is the greatest feeling of my life. now five years and eight months later, no one knows exactly where austin is or who is responsible for his disappearance. t