when martha stuart got convicted not of insider training but essentially obstruction of justice, shesider trading investigation, criminal too, the investigation, essentially the criminal charges of insider trading went away but the civil charges remained, and they hit her with obstruction charges on the criminal side. that's like not cooperating. now she got like what, six months in camp cupcake? it wasn't two years, so this is someone with no priors and martha stuart had no priors, a little younger, martha stuart was a long time ceo, knows the rules of the road, and she's doing two years so i think that's very very steep, and the other thing i would say is the other part of the story is sam bankman-fried and ron of onf the ironies is he's still in the brooklyn lockup, he's in with with p diddy, so none of these people are getting away. not that he is the gangster of all-time but the brooklyn lockup is a rough, rough place so -- liz: you've been? charlie: [laughter] liz: kidding. charlie: no. i know people that have been though, and it's not fun. just trust me. liz: it's serious. i t

stuart: martha maccallum with me this wednesday morning. why are they not doing much about anti-semitism? >> there's a weakness in executive offices all across the country and they're terrified of donors, they're terrified of their own students. they're terrified of making a strong stance and standing up -- this is new leadership now. the former president is gone from columbia, and they had a moment to turn the page. i listened to a student this morning, and she was saying they're constantly putting out e-mails and memos talking about how they protect jewish students on campus, but she said they're just empty words because they're not acting on them. words are meaningless, actions are the only thing that count in this situation. wouldn't it be so inspiring to see faculty and leadership make -- you know, stand out there as well. and say make way for these jewish students, much like you saw back in the desegregation of black white school during the crow laws. to say, no, we're americans and we stand here. everyone has a right to go to class i

stuart: we'll be blued, martha. thank you very much in-- blewed, martha, thank you indeed. the vice presidential debate on tuesday, october 21st and there'll be preshow coverage on the bottom line and that's from 6-8:00 p.m. and that's next tuesday night. check the markets, please. dow still down 150 and nas dock still up -- nasdaq up 55 points. ray wong with me this morning. ray, i get the impression that the ai stock surge. >> it is for hardware and chips and if you look at software, it's up 20-30%, which is actually very interesting. stuart: how do you explain that? >> look at shift of hype in the hardware and people are excited and it's a normal stock you start out with. hardware and software and companies you're using it and on the software side and volunteer off by oracle on fire and software on fire and salesforce is even up and they're putting the idea into use and software pictures are in the next settle winner and next of the winners are going to be on the market and see that and software guys are going up. going to adopt that. stuart: president biden going for th

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stuart: do you think the debate last night swayed any voters? >> great question. i don't think we'll know for two or three days. brett and marthat middle america. how are they looking at this in some of the swing states where there's michigan or wisconsin or maybe voters in minnesota. how did they perceive this debate last night? i would just hold your fire on that and see what the numbers tell us and i think the numbers will also tell us whether or not there will be a second debate. stuart: yeah, i'm waiting for those numbers. bill, thank you very much, sir. >> good to be with you. stuart: you're a busy guy. coming up, a hotel in texas taking over by a venezuelan migrant gang and a small town in ohio flooded with 20,000 haitian migrants. none of these migrants could be sent back. venezuela and haiti won't take them. so what are we going to do with them? sheriff cleveland takes it on. big tech executives going to testify before the senate. they are going to layout their plans to deal with threats to our election. that story is next. ♪ can i have another pancake? from full house... ...to empty nest... ...to free birds. vanguard

. >> martha: make sense at this point and i think all of us would assume the extra protections would be put in place after butler, pennsylvania. thank you very much. with spring and stuart kaplan former fbi special agent in criminal defense and frank leverage former secret service special agent in charge. thank you so much for being here. frank i want to start with you. obviously everyone is relieved that this secret service agent saw that gun poking through the fence but the question is how was it possible that this perimeter was not completely covered, given that you have a former president, a current presidential candidate and a person who has been shot out in the last two months? >> thank you for having neon. the first thing i want to say is on a golf course, i've been on the presidents golf course with george w. bush and president obama, it's moving and we are moving with it as what goes hold a hole. it's very important you expand the perimeter to know when the president is on the hole you have to defend yourself against any attack from 360 around you and that was not done. that brush gave a perfect area for concealment and allowing him to get down and creep into t

martha stevens >> richard h. stewart jr. sanford m. stoller >> lonny j. stone >> >> jimmy nevill storey >> timothy stout >> thomas s. strada >> james j. straine jr. >> edward t. strauss steven r. strauss >> steven f. strobert >> walwyn w. stuart> benjamin suarez >> david suarez ramon suarez >> >> yoichi sugiyama >>david marc sullins >> christopher p. sullivan thomas sullivan >> >> patrick sullivan >>james joseph suozzo >> i was only in the fifth grade when the towers fell. i did not know what a terrorist even was. all i knew was that while michael was gone and he wasn't coming back. there was no more squeezing into his two-door coupe, taking trips back and forth. more rustling in the backyard. no more family holidays with him. now listening to millions of stories today and hearing so many tears and cries of frustrations of lost ones, i'm here to tell you there on but not forgotten. my kids will never forget who their uncle michael is. i will never forget who my uncle michael is. love you forever, michael angelo trinidad. and my aunt, karen joyce. you were only 5 years old when you were taken from me but i will never forget the memories we had together. took me to my first yankee game, first circus and give me my first slice o