"the washington post" executive editor martin baron will be on the second panel of the day, and we do expect it to get under way here in just a couple of moments on c-span3. while we wait for the second panel to get under way we'll show you a portion on this morning's discussion on journalism and national security. >> -- if you have ever seen this volume of leaks coming out in an administration. is it unprecedented or not? bob? >> well, i wouldn't use the word leaks. i think it's aggressive reporti reporting, and it's the transfer of administrations that has created the environment in a good deal of this is coming from former people, but i agree with ellsberg, more leaks. and i think david would agree on this, there's this sense that reporters just sit around waiting for somebody to bring in a grocery cart of documents, like ellsberg did, or to call and i think the best sources are not volunteers, somebody who comes to us, but people we recruit and go to and say we want to understand what's going on. >> sounds like spycraft. >> well, no. it's reporting. and it's quite basic, and so i