in a way, it was almost more puzzling and traumatic to them than diana's famous interview with martin bashirpect from diana these kind of news bombs and revealing of herself at the time. but in this case, i think they were like, why, why are they doing this, and i think that it actually -- i think there was a possibility for them to build a bridge with the family after they left. but the oprah interview seemed like a hand grenade into the house of windsor, they haven't really recovered from. >> it seemed to me there was a fundamental break with the business, model, if you will, of the royal family. as i understood it, if you're a member of the british royal family, you get enormous respect, dignity, world-wide publicity, acclaim, but you behave in a certain way, and you don't monetize the brand. that really is frowned upon. with harry, it seemed like he suddenly realized, wait a minute, why do i have to live off the scraps that charles gives me? i can do a netflix deal. >> right. in many ways, a lot of people i spoke to almost felt it was always going to happen that harry would leave. he jus