juan: that's martin espada reading to us how we could have lived or died this way. k so much of your poetry is dealing with the politics and the reality, the social conditions of our time, how you first decided that this was part -- the vision of your poetry? martin: i grew up with it. i grew up in an activist household. i grew up in my father's household, resistance was as natural as breathing. i was surprised when i went into the world and discovered that not everybody was raised the way i was. so when it turned to the writing of poetry, quite naturally it turned to poetry about social justice. that's how i was raised. juan: and you mentioned your father. of course i knew him for many years. i was inspired by him as well. you talk about he was arrested in 1949 in biloxi, mississippi, for refusing to sit in the back of the bus. i didn't know that even though i've known frank for many years. martin: oh, yes, that happened. and he was always raising hell and that was his advice to everybody. amy: you wrote a magnificent poem about your dad. could you share that with u