with me in the studio for more on this is deep religious affairs correspondent martin gox oh hello to you martin so this punishment is of course significant but listen we know there have been thousands of cases of abuse within the church so why is it a mcharg the first former cardinal to be dismissed over these things well by and large i mean we do not really have a breast of and i mean a mother in bresson for a cardinal to be stripped are the from you know we have to make sure that people understand that he actually sort of went left he supposed us a cardinal in july of last year and so technically speaking he was the frog once he had already become essentially a former cardinal i mean nonetheless this is an extremely significant step by the by the congregation of the office of the doctrine of the faith which is not the pope himself but the pope had to actually give the go ahead so to say precisely because it's such a high standing figure somebody that within the catholic church of the u.s. was really the very very pious right and of the very highest friend so right before you know w