chairman martin gruenberg was among the featured speakers. this is about 40 minutes. >> this is theirs. >> okay. okay. i'd like to welcome everybody back for our afternoon program, please. we hope you enjoyed a good lunch. we've had a very interesting morning, we're delighted now to have the privilege and honor of hearing from chairman martin j. gruenberg, acting chairman of the federal deposit and insurance corporation, chairman gruenberg has a number of d distinctions but one of them which is relevant for today's event is that he worked very actively on the senate banking committee for a number of years, served under senator paul sarbanes, actively involved in the drafting of that statute, along with chairman gensel and professor goldsmith was involved. obviously steve harris also we've heard from this morning, so we have a number of folks with us this morning who are truly veterans of that effort and can give us some perspective on that statute. chairman gruenberg served on the senate banking committee i believe i'm right in saying from 19