martin horn, who formerly ran new york city jails and david director of the american civil liberties union national prison project. anthony graves let me start with you, most people, almost all the people watching this program have never experienced anything like it, walk us through a day, the sun comes up maybe you see it, maybe you don't, but it is a new day, what's a day in solitary like? >> well, they start off about 3:00 in the morning when they are coming through and waking you up to feed you. and breakfast consistents of maybe one egg, and one biscuit. and some jelly. and biscuit is hard, and the egg is probably cold. that's how your day starts off. and then they cut the lights on you about 5:00 in the morning. and the lights stay on. if you are allowed to go out for one hour that day, they come and they handcuff you, they shackle you, they strip you out, they dehumanize you, they put you in a bigger cage for an hour, and you walk around like a wounded animal, because there's nothing else you can do in there. no workout equipment, inning. then after that, they cake you back in

. >> martin horn is the head of new york city's department of corrections. he's a 30-year veteran who's risen through the ranks. >> we are working with serious, dangerous criminals. rikers island has ten different facilities. we have 10,000 inmates, a little bit more than that. we transfer 1,500 inmates every day to 20 different courthouses in new york city. >> this morning, we have approximately 147 courts going out throughout the five boroughs. >> i've been here for two days. two days in this pen, but i posted bail. it's taken that long for my bailout, you know what i mean? i'll be out in a minute, you know what i'm saying? >> reporter: he calls himself 7-up. but his real name is jay keene, and he's awaiting trial for driving with a revoked license. >> i'm here for shooting a dude, you know what i'm saying? but, you know, i be on my way out in the world in a minute, you know what i mean? >> 7-up's cellmate goes by the name "easy." the robbery charges against him are about to be dropped, but both of these inmates know the jailhouse routine. >> i've been her

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muscle that causes banks to pull on their horns, not lend to small businesses, and that is the core of the jobs problem. >> i see you and questions and answers with martinhere is their out there? >> i think the damage that is being done is right here in front of us. >> we are just not seeing it in price change. >> not enough investment taking place, so growth, nominal growth in the world is slowing and slowing, even as the fed is creating a big balance sheet for itself. that is not getting into the economy. so there would be inflation in the future if the fed suddenly changed its tune and said banks can leverage all they want. >> do you agree with others that price change and price inflation could migrate over to that asset side where you get asset inflation? is that a fair follow on? else view is something happened. in 2009 in 2010, we were rebounding from the recession, and asset prices were being bid up properly, and then by 2012, there were some very good things that happened in the world. in europe, they guaranteed the that, ando draghi did in the u.s. we did that major tax bill in january 2013, and that caused an increase in the value of assets in

martin. how was it today? >> good. >> it is a bit chilly, yes. but it wasn't raining. we got to see the ladies. it was perfect. >> okay. shirley mccutchen is our first lucky lady. from buck hornlly and fabulous in that hat. and i know you're happy because you want this for shirley. tell me why. >> i'm so thrilled. you know, she's had a tough time with cancer, survivor, you know, for four years almost now. that's the big thing. having her here. this is her dream. she had been wanting to do this forever and ever and ever. and to be on here and have a makeover, this is such a fabulous deal. this is a once in a lifetime deal for her. i'm so thrilled for that. >> we're happy to give you this deal. you ready? >> yes, i am! i'm so excited. i can't believe it. i didn't think it would ever happen. >> i love shirley. >> yes. >> husband bill, please keep your blindfold on for a second. okay, here is shirley mccutchen before. let's see the new you. >> whoa! >> wow! >> oh, my goodness. >> bill, are you ready? >> yes. >> take a look at your bride. >> lord, even more gorgeous. >> are you ready? >> yes. i guess. >> spin right around. mirror right behind you. >> oh, my word. >> you look -- >>