martin horn, who formerly ran new york city jails and david director of the american civil liberties union national prison project. anthony graves let me start with you, most people, almost all the people watching this program have never experienced anything like it, walk us through a day, the sun comes up maybe you see it, maybe you don't, but it is a new day, what's a day in solitary like? >> well, they start off about 3:00 in the morning when they are coming through and waking you up to feed you. and breakfast consistents of maybe one egg, and one biscuit. and some jelly. and biscuit is hard, and the egg is probably cold. that's how your day starts off. and then they cut the lights on you about 5:00 in the morning. and the lights stay on. if you are allowed to go out for one hour that day, they come and they handcuff you, they shackle you, they strip you out, they dehumanize you, they put you in a bigger cage for an hour, and you walk around like a wounded animal, because there's nothing else you can do in there. no workout equipment inning. then after that, they cake you back int

and honking their horns and heading towards downtown just something worth keeping track of and worth following. look, to your other question and for what it's worth i ran into martiny here around the corner about half an hour ago. he's been driving around the city. of course, former mayor, former governor. i don't know whether he was looking for tv cameras or not. i didn't -- he didn't necessarily seem overly anxious to go or he would have gotten in front of a camera. i just look at it in a larger sense to. hear the president today, very passionate and spoke about it for 15 minutes but he ended his comments that came across a little exasperated saying we've tried to do a lot of these programs but there's only so much you can do and, you know what, it's up to the public to try to do more and to try to create more and it just struck me as like well should the president use the symbolism of his presidency a little bit more. he's always been hesitant to do that in incidents like this. never walked the streets of ferguson never did go down to sanford, florida or north charleston or does he walk the streets in baltimore here when things calm down and talk to small busin