one is martin indyk. he wants him to be some kind of envoy. is he going to set this thing and get it rolling and then return to paying attention to syria and egypt especially. >> martin indyk is -- you know, i mean he's his own figure. he's a large figure in this. he seems to have been granted a lot of authority and autonomy from what little we know and obviously all the players understand that he's a powerful figure in this. so, yeah, there's a good chance that he'll be able to step back but it doesn't seem like that obama administration administration writ large is very interested in grappling with the challenges of syria, egypt, iraq iran, and so on. >> rose: i've asked you this before, speaking of minds. does anyone know exactly what john kerry's plan is? does he have some new take on this conflict that might leave -- you know the. >> some new formula, some level of creativity, enlarging the conflict, making it smaller. i don't -- i don't know. i haven't read anyone who's said they've known the answer to this. one of the things he's doing-

unfortunately, that's often not how the world works, and, you know, we all know that our good friend martin indyk left brookings to try to go negotiate palestinian/israeli peace n. the relatively unlikely event that he succeeds, there could be an implementation force to make that acceptable to the israelis. that's one example. i awe lewded to a couple of others. if we wind up preventing iran from developing a nuclear weapon and have to use military power, the idea that this is a one-off, we bomb, they hit one of our embassies and we all call a truce, i think, is pretty optimistic. and there's a decent chance we're going to have to reinforce some of our allies in the gulf with some american ground presence to remind lan -- iran that we have an interest in these countries. you better be able to do one all-out war like korea, heaven forbid, but also two simultaneous smaller missions, but they could be long lasting. and hopefully they're multilateral, but they could be long lasting, and that's where i come up with an army that, to me, should be around 450,000 active duty soldierings. the scmr venn --