martin j. martin. good to see you. thanks for your time today. so pablo draw off appears to be detained on a coat. faced serious charges. fronts appears on happy with the lock of control and wheels overtake around setting terrorism concerns and other risk. so is his arrest justified? you know, it's not i think i'm right. so i'm really touched on the points and other to the it's about how it's about ellipse panicking. i'm wondering whether they can lose that battle via a position groups and the 2 figures using the social media platforms to gain an edge. and i think that's really the heart of the match. i mean, i'm to very, very set date is there. i talked a full of wasting democracy because we've seen now that governments can go even lower, much, much low because of possibly mentioned in the last couple of weeks. we've seen people in the u. k. arrested for light came on on showing a man on social media that seemed to be absolutely extraordinary. we couldn't do much and a few years ago, but now we're heading in this direction where the leads are taking more power. and um, they've got the social media platforms of these messages, services, excuse me, in the slides. i'm personally very skeptical about this arrest in front. so i, i think we'll have more information the next few days, but i'm diverse skeptical about why do ralph would travel to france and wondering whether there was some discount. otherwise i will decide on the pilots because west and agencies have been trying for as long as they possibly could to bully him, to intimidate him, to plot spies and his network to do anything and everything they can to get it back to into telegram and he's fault this way, so i think he's made so of an international i come today if. if anybody below the age of 40 didn't know or didn't hear this guy's name today, you know, he's really going to be the coolest guy on the bottom. do you think the move to the teen him was solely initiated by french authorities? you know, the don't. i think uh, the french just for being a little different with lent home. um, quite heavily. uh by of course the americans a little so we shouldn't forget these railings, you know, just a few. a few weeks ago it was reported missing, you know, off the ground for some day. so some illegal day to the hackers at clyde, from israel, and put on the, on the mission to services because he hasn't responded to that. so we should not underestimate the power of use really low. be in this, i'm wondering whether that is real incident, was the final straw for macro, and to finally throw the leaves on and not be but as i said, i'm very, very skeptical about this, like iris. i really do wonder if there was a, there's a, there was another story that, yeah, it will, safety entails, emerge on that front. is telegrams reputation on the line here itself too, because many users choose to use it because of its security. seem to superior to what's up, for instance. so a lot at stake, martin is regard to a door off the sides to, to do, given our whole dod to know this. i mean, i originally wrote and been in place to the strategic strategic culture foundation, where i'll give you the freedom speech is not a toll free. it's actually incredibly expensive because it won't hold it on, you know, who is paying the price for that. now this young man, this incredibly clever young man who created this platform, you know, he has possibly weeks or months in jail now. and he must be wondering what credibility impact that has on telegraph now and, you know, people came to to the ground because it was federal. and i'm, i'm, you know, i'm checks unlimited. there's no regulation process. and you know, there's 2 sides of the one hand is very attractive and other people on the other hand that does also attract from these people who want to do is adopt. so i could talk with it's like, so it's sort of balancing act in a do you want? do you really want freedom of speech? most people must think