. >> susie: you started kimco with martin kimmel. what was he like? >> a very fine person. he had an entrepreneurial flair about him. he had a very good antenna with sizing up people. and because he was a bachelor and had time to entertain and really be with brokers, retailers, et cetera, he was very effective. we were partners for over 50 years, and we never had an argument. we may have disagreed, but it was never an argument. >> susie: in 1958, they built their first strip center together in florida. it was coral way plaza, a property kimco still owns today. >> it was a property in miami, and the tenant was a private company based in new england called zayre. and it was their first discount store in florida. the total cost of construction was $7 a foot. and i made a lot of mistakes in developing it. in spite of those mistakes, it turned out to be a very good deal. >> susie: now, you went on to build and develop many, many strip centers all over the country. what attracted you to the business? >> the strip shopping center has a parking lot. it has to be four-to-one parking