expulsion on substantiated well i'm happy to say we're joined live on the program by author of this martin mccauley martin good to see you what do you make of the case and in particular what supposedly substantial evidence of official oficial russian or chechen involvement might german investigators think. i think that if you go back to 9091 the collapse of the soviet union the chens were very active in various parts of russia but also in germany and some of the chans were in fact involved in assassinations and things i get. organized crime and and therefore the german authorities would have a lot a lot of data on georgians and so on and therefore they would be collecting a lot of that and also on the russians and remember that relations between russia and germany are in fact quite good the much much better than between britain and russia so therefore what does come up here is obviously something quite serious they've obviously find found or they claim to have found some direct evidence that the russian state was involved which is a very serious allegation because the chen's have a reputation for b

martin mccauley author and russia analyst thank you for your time and your comments. now alex is in the studio with us following all of this now we've been talking a lot about what this means for individual athletes but this decision also leaves a lot of things up in the air because it russia from hosting competitions for the next 4 years but that definition of what major competitions is a little fuzzy can you tell us more about that not only that it's fuzzy but also the fact that you know russia could be banned from hosting those competitions as fuzzy as well and primarily because what i have here is a very important list in terms of understanding what the implications could be now over the next 4 years russia is due to host several major international competitions across different types of sports and i have a list here you know according to the codes of those associations that's how they will make their decisions let's start with the world cup in both senior players and youth youth championships it says that the decision will be made individually by. the federation

historian martin mccauley believes that russia will only get a fair hearing in court. the dutch investigation team originally ignored some of the russian data and they didn't take it. very seriously because they said it was not entirely relevant and they relied on the road data the problem with russia's presentation patil nowadays because of the widespread opposition to russian views and the views of the russian government the views of the president believe have put him there is a bias on fortunately in the west and in britain america not to take russian evidence at face value and therefore it will be up to the court to listen to the russian evidence and evaluate it without bias without concern for pro western view it's very important that the court then. acts from a purely legal point of view that the russians part of you can be examined legally or there's a for me this hour back with more news at the top of next hour starting to pass. desists is a stick from the water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is spawns of the coca-cola company which sells milli

author and russia analyst martin mccauley thank you for joining us on the program today thank you for. a u.s. senate committee has approved a bill directing the country secretary of state to determine whether russia is a sponsor of terrorism if passed the state department will have 90 days to report back to congress the son or her table the bill is convince russia backs terrorism love them or put continues to try to cause grievous harm to international peace and stability and i'm pleased the senate foreign relations committee advanced my critical legislation directing the state department to consider naming russia what they are a state sponsor of terror the proposed legislation will then have to pass the house and the senate before being signed by the president just a week ago the state department said that russia is not a state terror sponsor him up and looks at the absurdity of the suggestion. state sponsor of terrorism is a special designation under u.s. law in which a country is subject to specific sanctions and treatment by the united states for allegedly supporting terrorism now

kept in the loop of this attack right here in the heart of moscow we spoke to russian analyst martin mccauley and security expert charles sure bridge for their thoughts on the attack. he had he was obviously extremely irritated nosed by something that happened probably to his family or. friends or somebody else because nobody in his right mind. tend to get into the lubyanka and start firing at the guards he's bound to be killed lou that could have gone into any restaurant and floated as many people as he liked but that was not his objective he just wanted to kill those associated with the secret service is now the official 3 and if you killed one clue he would then say they have achieved my objective because i would be killed as well given that the target appears to have been dispiriting obviously so publicly linked with the security services in the state and given the timing on the almost at the anniversary of. the security services those were be quite strong indications as to the motivation assuming that the government is a rational actor had this attack i think taken place against a more s

you know we spoke to russia analyst martin mccauley and also the security expert bridge for their thoughts on the attack. nobody in his right mind would take an a k $47.00. attempt to get into the lubyanka and start firing at the gods is bound to be killed he knew that he could have gone into any restaurant and floated as many people as a light but that was not his objective he just wanted to kill those associated with the security services now the f.s.b. and if you killed one blue he would then say they have achieved my objective because i would be killed as well given that the target appears to have been dispiriting obviously so publicly links with the security services in the state and given the timing on the almost the anniversary of. the security services. because strong indications as to the motivation assuming that the government is a rational actor had this attack i think taken place against a more soft target which is usually the case with more explicit or overt terrorist acts then you would have expected i think far more casualties to have resulted. in european union and moscow h

author russia specialist martin mccauley joins you know very good even. to what do you make of these threats coming from the stone you know i thought it. they're quite on typical of a story of behavior but we must remember that relations between tallied and most crew so he's 9091 are surely say always a little strained. and still you and russia have never seen eye to ari and have been mutual conflict ever since these things 2 countries don't seem to get on very well and there is considerable more pressure freedom is still new than there is many other countries so therefore the position of sputnik is an exception to that rule and in many ways it's very surprising. it's surprising and you would think that if there was any effort to kind of coerce them into breaking ties with anybody or to have to affect the way they work there would need to be a pretty good reason for that the explanation given is that it was linked to some kind of sanctions although the organization itself denies that and in fact russia's deputy envoy to the o.c.a. said it's political pres

then we will intervene and deal with and to do martin good to speak to this evening my guest martin mccauley author russia thank you. but it's done hawkins in the studio let's just remind the viewers if you just. it was a shooting incident outside the f.s.b. headquarters in central moscow at around 6 pm local time so just in the 7 hours ago the salient points now looking at what one shooter has been killed one victim killed and several injuries what else as for your health ministry as we said confirmed 5 casualties one of them still in critical condition one of them tragically killed the f.s.b. officer likely pushed back the attacker from entering or further into the building the road traffic officer as well caught in the gunfire and the others have been taken to local hospital martin there commenting obviously on well the complexities of this must occasion of all of what grows reasons this could be and there could be so many out there we've speculated on terrorism because of the target because the timing but he quite rightly said at this stage until it is officially confirmed it really coul