but not to him martin mcguinness the ira chief who together with his shin fein party made the peace accord possible. the fact that i don't agree with fans. politics i don't agree with what direction they have taken. the peace agreement that is we come across martin mcguinness as we don't she does not want to be interviewed but even so the depth of the divide in the irish republican movement becomes clear neither says anything to the other. which is. yeah. well so we don't speak much. people here are very afraid that armed conflict will return to northern ireland if britain leaves the e.u. . to feel a pain or break so it's a load of crap basically with the border nothing else like when else when the border. bring back a troll like to pose and impose any restrictions on the free movement of the border in ireland there will be a raise and part of military activity said the result of violence we need to be remarked that your call. during the troubles protestant minister chris hansen mediated between the ira and pro british militants he says republicans have approached him recently and says the

the invitation of the revenue ian paisley as first minister of northern ireland and his deputy martin mcguinness and at that time the democratic unionist party and shouldn't fein were just of chief dominance over their sections of the political communities of northern ireland and they remain dominant to this day so when we talk about no niall and di interview pm piece from the green knight site the house of commons campaigning for breaks or reinterview shouldn't thing from dublin campaigning for a united ireland. and these programs we're looking at what's happening below the surface and northern irish politics at the very substantial implications that bracks that is bringing to various parts of the community how business people are looking at the future of people looking at the board of issues but of the farmers of law and i want to additionally the unionist bulwark are still thinking in that direction given the fret the livelihoods and above all was spoken to some of the young people and when we speak and engage with them that i've got the very distinct to buy that if they want to not assemble

we've got the ira which is the mainstream ira if she hadn't been party of mr gerry adams and martin mcguinness we also have a group called the continuity ira and we have got the group describe it gets out simply as the ira and all this reflects the fact that there are very differing political in this started going anonymous days are of all the where i read republicanism came for and where it is night and the people who planted these bombs are sent to these bombs through the post they would regard the mainstream ira of mr adams and mr mcguinness they were god demonstrators have given up their struggle before to achieving their aim of a united ireland. like this or obviously always a concern but how much of a concern do you feel they are you know weeks now from when the u.k. is supposed to leave the a you and this whole border issue becomes very real. yes well i mean it is a we have had a coming together of different crises here eighty eight people here really fear is the possibility of a hard barter of between northern ireland and southern and if that happens there's a hard barter there were ha

martin mcguinness giving evidence to the saville enquiry described the ira like the boy scouts. journalist it was in derry at the time of bloody sunday if he accepted that characterisation and he said yes. if that is right then the boy scouts became the largest, most ruthless and in their terms of the most effective terrorist group in the whole of europe for the next 20 yea rs. the whole of europe for the next 20 years. i was very struck that when people in derry, the relatives say it was notjust people in derry, the relatives say it was not just for the people in derry, the relatives say it was notjust for the people on bloody sunday that died, it is also for the people who died because the troubles went on for so long and pa rt troubles went on for so long and part of the reason for that is without doubt bloody sunday. what i've got you here, forgive me for doing this, but we are very rarely get the chance to speak to you. we are in the middle of a heated brexit debate with the northern ireland border so crucial to all of that. for those of us that don't live in northern irela

martin mcguinness, who gave witness to, gave evidence, he described the ira in 1972 as like the boy scoutss highly sceptical of that, so i asked a very experienced a derryjournalist who was there on the day, do you accept that? he said, yes, i do, and he derry the grade of the ira became an extremely ruthless, very effective paramilitary organisation, and indeed the deadliest terrorist organisation in europe for the next 20 plus years. so you can see why lord savile said it was a catastrophe. the march itself was a civil rights march against internment without trial. people had been arrested the previous august, and interned without trial, put in jail without facing the court. in an attempt to dampen down, put a stop to the trouble that was already brewing. that as well, thatjust erred the pot, that made the troubles become much more intense, and bloody sunday of course accelerated the process. the former father, dennis bradley, was a young catholic priest on the day of bloody sunday and he was there. he says to this day that up to bloody sunday there were troubles in northern ireland, aft