. >> duke university professor martin miller spoke with booktv about the foundations of modern terrorism, which he dates back to the french revolution. this 30-minute interview, part of booktv's college series, was recorded at the washington duke inn in durham, north carolina. >> host: duke university history professor martin miller is the author of this book, "the foundations of moderner to: state, society, and the dynamics of political violence." there is a working definition of modern terrorism? >> guest: i tried to formulate one, which is a perilous path because so many others have tried. so, i think that the clear is way to understand what i've tried to do is to refer back to what in fact are two kinds of perspectives. one is the idea that governments and especially dictators, exercise terror against their own citizens, the hitlers, stalins, poll pol pots of the world, and the ice the world of post 9/11 we're most familiar with, this is the insurgenties from below who seem to pose, and sometimes we realize how serious the threat is, they are in fact a danger to us. so what i tried t