and i'm curious to see how aggressive how someone like martin o'maly will be. >> he's the guy calling all these debates. if he doesn't like light the place on fire, then you let your whole campaign become about debates. >> i want to see the if senator sander s has the fire. how does that translate to the debate stage? i think he'll have a good debate, but it's two hours, a forum that's not really his crowd. he'll have to perform. >> and going back to hillary clinton, is this an important night, but is it less important than next week? >> probably. i mean, listen, what makes the republican's debates much more important is that there's still such an undecided block and those establishment candidates are trying to break through. hillary clinton doesn't have to worry about this. what she has to worry more about is the unpredictability of what goes on in benghazi. that and losing, you know, she's not going to worry about losing a debate as much as losing in the hearings. >> which will only add that she skipped the walk-through of the debate. not to say, she's done this a million times. >>