an interpreter and very movingly and i have a piece of the pa-- a piece of the tape movingly told the children of his experience meeting martinand speaking about building a better america for people of all color, speaking about justice for all people. and he said, please don't become bitter or discouraged. we will make this a better place and you are most welcome. that was the only realtime we had with children whatsoever. and when i said i'm a little disappointed, i'm a former teacher, i would like to see whature doing -- what you're doing to educate the children. after all this is a for-profit center. 2296 students -- detainees, children, detainees are there at a cost of $775 per head per day. so it's sadly perversely profit-making location and that is not to say there aren't terrific people of good will trying to help these children. but there is a perverse incentive to hold on to them and to my mind to sanity -- sanitize what we saw. we saw one dormitory, neatly made up and not a personal item and when joanna hayes and i decided to go off course to find another dormitory room they didn't want us to do that and we did any