joining me is the president martin schwartz and thank for being here. >> thank you. >> tell me abouts of change, how is it different from these other programs. >> we are different in the way we use the car, vehicles for change is to provide transportation to low-income families. we take the car if it is in good enough condition and repair it and identify a family that needs it to get to a job. >> that has to make a difference. tell me about walk in your shoes program. >> back in october, we did it in d c as well, we had a program to bring to light to the public, the trials that are families go through without an automobile. so we had six local dig terries and one was jim malone and susan hipner and they traveled with one of our recipients, the route they have to go before they got their car. >> that must have been interesting. i can't imagine being without a car, what was that like? >> the neat thing i did it as well and i have been running the program for 13 years, it was eye opening for me to see what they did on a daily basis, we went with a woman that had two-year-old twins and a