martin van buren the answer: c. president born after 1776. >> people ask if we're done with the warm weather. the answer is now. we have some mild days to thego. six days of 60 degree temperatures after this date. a can still get mild. it is cool out there right now. we are and the low 50s. there straddling that boundary between cool and warm air. after 7:00 a.m. tomorrow. here we go through tomorrow evening. see how the clouds are increasing. they could see a couple like showers saturday. the main rain with seems to be going south. by sunday afternoon and we could get some showers at that time. we have small craft advisory. snelling advisory's in north dakota. it is that time of the year. there is where the snow falls. the ground is still pretty warm. wind chills will be pretty cool area. it will feel like the low 20s by the time to get up tomorrow morning. here is the forecast. a little disturbance runs along. we keep the upper 40's going over the weekend. there are some warming indicated right there by later next

i worked on martin van buren, as you know, and we never got close to the bestseller list. >> on october2, we're going to lin to about a minute and a half of a conversation the next day with roswell kilpatrick. how does he fit in? >> he was assistant secretary of defense and very friendly with president kennedy. and i included that phone call. it's just a short phone call, but it's fascinating because they are contemplating and really envisioning the first boarding of a soviet vessel that will put this quarantine to the test. and they don't know what the result will be. will the soviets fire back? and kennedy, as he did throughout the crisis, is saying whenever possible, use the minimum amount of force. and he just wants to understand it. they were smart to, because their military brass were spoiling for a fight throughout the crisis. and secretary mcnamara also had a lot of problems on his hands talking with the admirals and the generals. they were trained to fight. that was their job, and they wanted to. and the secretary mcnamara and the president were also doing their job, saying hol

. >> martin van buren is running as a jeffersonian. >> what you find out early here, though, this guyears, actual actually didn't get elected until it went to the house. and speaking of 36, it really took 36 ballots to figure out whether thomas jefferson was going to be the president of the united states? >> that vote in the house was so close that joseph nicholson was a congressman from maryland who was brought in on a stretcher to keep voting and his wife would guide his hand. he was a hanging chad early. it was 36 ballots. a ferocious campaign. you can have god and john adams or thomas ovjefferson and no go. what we bemoan now was part and parcel of the republic then and jefferson was the first opposition politician. >> was the 1800 campaign the ugliest? >> the ugliest -- they were running against each other and then 1800 -- >> i mean ever? is. >> oh, sure, sure. it was an existential race. they really believed the british could come back at any moment, which is an easy argument to win because they did 12 years later. and so jefferson really believed the american revolution, which