of course, 1828 was when the democratic party was founded, martin van buren, andrew jackson, et cetera country. they have very different demographics, right? one is a lot of white working class voters, in georgia, of course, a lot of college educated voters around the suburbs of atlanta, and a lot of black voters as well. so they are two very diverse states. you have to win one of them if you're a democrat. in the fact that joe biden is trailing in both, historically speaking, there simply isn't a roadmap for winning the presidency if you're a democrat without winning at least one of these states. >> either the south, or the rust belt. what about 2020? how does this moment, this picture, compared to what happened in 2020? >> yeah, so, you know, we just talked about results, let's talk about pulling. michigan polls were trump led by, in michigan, the entire 2020 cycle, look at that. no pools, not a single pool where joe biden trailed donald trump. so far this election cycle, we've already had to. and of course, we're still in 2023. there is the cnn srs poll. there's also this sienna col