this charles martland, this is a bad dude.guy we want out protecting us doing bad things to bad people, truly. this guy is a great guy who did the right thing. there is a total lack of morality and there is cowardice want military ranks right now, these are, of what he is best at and what the american people want charles martland to be doing. emblematic of much larger issue. patti ann: sergeant martland says the army was aware of these types of abuses. in fact others in the military have said this is part of their culture. martland said there was understanding that the u.s. military does not get involved because it would undermined the authority of the local bost -- government. meanwhile government officials laugh it off. the mother tried to stop it. another afghan official beat her up. that is why he took matters intos his own hand. the pentagon is responding to with a statement, that said we never had a policy in place to have any military member ignore human rights abuse. >> that is lawyer speak. those are lawyers at the de

for nights on end. >> that's what he's saying. >> is it understandable what martland did?bsolutely. should he be thrown out of the army? i'm not sure if he should be thrown out or given a medal and replaced in another branch of the armed services. -day understand that they have to keep at least keep the order sfans vigilanteism. >> this show is a lot lighter the last time i was on. this is a lot of tough topics today this is really tough stuff to listen to. but -- should we do something else? >> not you know i think we'll get do that in a little bit. for now, this goes back to when you decide you're going to stand up for certain things in life, whatever the consequences are. it goes back to what you've been taught or what you teach your kids. you're going to stand up in the face of what's wrong and let the chips fall where they may. like you said, maybe he did, you can't have a command where you're taking things into your own hands, even when you feel like you know your commander is not giving you good command. he made the decision that he maybe he bears the consequences o

but, it becomes, even more complicated in the case of martland, he feels he was kicked out of his ownpecial forces position because he stepped in and reprimand ad person who was doing this. that is a tough one to figure out. >> that is, it shouldn't be that way. that is absolutely wrong. the american soldiers who step in should be, should be lauded for it. should be given award for it. rather than kicked out. as far as the afghan judicial system is concerned, problem it really doesn't exist within a lot of these military units. reporting to afghan civilian justice system means commanders will act with impunity. i know soldiers and marines step in. they have evidence of times when they have done it in the past and they lecture about human rights, about dignity. but there is a sick culture there within the afghan society where these things are just sort of understood. it is a sexual repression that leads men and young boys, much like in the prisons. it is horrible. it shouldn't prevent us from fighting taliban. that is the problem. martha: stark reminder how very, very different things