if they're inheriting the legacy of ronald reagan, then they'll do what marty feldstein said and sayjust like appropriations. and therefore they will be reasonable and we'll close loopholes and raise revenue. if on the other hand they say no, anything is a taxncrease. if anybody in america has to pay more taxes, then we're in a hopeless situation. and that leads the rest of us who don't have those loopholes paying a higher tax than we otherwise would have to pay. >> charlie: the ball's your court marty. >> i ha to believe that people will come to understandÑi if we say it enough and if you explain enough and if dav leonhardt's newspaper explains it enough that people will come to understand that changing the spendingçó that is in the tax code, the special subsidies for different kinds of individual behavior that cost revenue, that those really are spending and that they ought to be put on the spending side of the ledger, even though they technically raise revenue. >> charlie: okay then, who nailed to failed make that clear. is that the president's fault, is it john boehner's fault, m