marty kaplan who's a professor at usc by the way this gives an idea.ilm program, film and tv program is a norman lear film and tv program and that tells you where they are politically. marty kaplan he and i see eye-to-eye the advertisers to be bamboozled and i want him to look at the oh, i'll get to it. we need to infiltrate the campuses. we need to take them over. the left has taken over institutions. we've been focused on, look, we're conservatives we focus on individuals. and their left they focused on institutions. we ceded the news media, the entertainment institution the liberal academia we ceded and then we're surprised when he churning on you liberals every day. we need to take over liberal institutions the way the left does. >> this is more of a philosophical question do you think there is a distinction between propaganda and providing a narrative on social commentary or are they more of the same. what are your feelings on that? >> my feelings on that is that it's a book title. [laughter] >> and you're right. there is a slight distinction and

marty kaplan a professor at usc, there film program is a norman lear so that tells you where they standitically. cap plan and i see eye-to-eye with the advertisers being bamboozled. he said i will get around to the book they are not interested doing anything except promoting there of liberalism. infiltrating academia is another thing to do. we have to infiltrate the campuses, a takeover. the left has taken over. we are conservatives we focus on individuals the left is a leftist focusing on institutions but they are unbelievably powerful so we see the news media and entertainment media and then we are surprised when they turn out liberals? we need to be involved in institutional -- institution al takeovers the same way as the left. >> s.a. philosophical question is there a distinction between propaganda? >> what your feelings on that? >> that is the title of my book. [laughter] there is a slight distinction and a fine line between social commentary that in a broadly pushes certain member states messages but they do use it consciously and unconsciously. the effect is the same. they create