marty lipton has said this is the ultimate short termism. there are some arguments to the other side and they're fair as well but i think evidence shows activists not only outperform their hedge fund peers in recent years but also seem to have a share price improvement on companies short term and also longer term. >> kate, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> joining us exclusively now is trian's nelson peltz to respond to the sonnen felds op-ed. nelson, thanks so much for joining us today. >> great pleasure. thank you for having me. you called his interview provocative. i call it inaccurate. >> he went after you pretty good. >> well, look, i don't mind anybody coming after me as long as they come after me with facts. he's a professor. i assume he's telling his students to do good work. his work was just a bit faulty. i mean, he said that -- he mentioned our returns for 2012 and 2014. he sort of missed 2013, when we were up 40% net. he said our return in 2014 was a number which is far less than 11%, which is what we achieved. and in fact, sin