that was cave diving expert martyn farr. spoke to lt colonel steve whitlock who was part of a 2004 rescue mission in one of the world's biggest cave systems in mexico city. it is good news that we are starting to see people come out of the cave. but it is not over until it is over. you go through a period of seeing success, but the rescue is not over until all of the people are out, including the divers. it is good news that we are starting to see people come through those difficult passages and get out of that cave. i would caution people to be a little bit careful, because we have still got an awful lot of people that have to come out of that cave, and we're yet to see the remaining members of the team come through. you have been part of a rescue team, as i said earlier. it took place in mexico city. how closely does that event resemble what we're seeing now in thailand? in some ways, it is very similar. we rescued a group of six cavers from a similar situation. the big difference was it was part of a contingency plan. alt

joining me now, another cave diving expert and friend of the british pair in thailand is martyn farr,ganisation out of crichhowell near abergavenny. thank you forjoining us on bbc news. what is your initial reaction to the latest development? this is absolutely fantastic news. the boys are starting to come out of the cave. that will be a massive morale booster. it obviously is an indicator that things are going very well at this point in time. clearly it isa well at this point in time. clearly it is a big ask for everyone involved. we all understand how critical this weather window, well, it is shrinking as we speak, but the right people are doing the right things, andi right people are doing the right things, and i am optimistic that things, and i am optimistic that things will carry on like this. you mentioned the weather. clearly you have some reservations. you have the experience. what are your primary concerns? like everyone else watching the programme, we all know that if you have a torrential downpour, we have seen images of the current in the cave today. that would be a major

their friend and photographer martyn farr talked about their achievement in thailand.hat? ifeel emotional about it now but then, "wow", you think "this is fantastic". those boys have had a hard nine, ten days underground, and now they've got the best guys there. sojohn and rick, you know, they are calm, they are very collected, they're very organised, extremely disciplined and consummate professionals. it's not clear yet how the boys can be brought out. the thai authorities are pumping as much water as they can from the caves, but more rain is on the way. dr will smith is an emergency doctor and also medical director of a search and rescue team. hejoins us from wyoming in the us. welcome, thanks very much for your time. what concerns about what the group faces at the moment? thank you for having me. sol group faces at the moment? thank you for having me. so i think a lot of things come to mind. the first is hypothermia, worrying about nutrition, and then is if there is any more raising water in the caves, certainly they could drown. any more raising water in the caves,

their friend and photographer, martyn farr, talked about their achievement in thailand.emotional about it now. but then, wow, you think, this is fantastic. those boys, have had a hard nine, ten days underground, and now they've got the best guys there are. sojohn and rick, you know, they are calm, they are very collected, they are very organised, extremely disciplined, and consummate professionals. it's not clear yet how the boys can be brought out. the thai authorities are pumping as much water as they can from the caves, but more rain is on the way. let's take a look at some of the day's other news. now to the world cup, and england have gone through to the quarter—finals, beating colombia 4—3 on penalties in a nailbiting finish. the swedes earlier beat switzerland 1—0. 0lly foster is in moscow. he told me the latest. we thought they'd blown it, but england winning their first world cup penalty shootout. as you know, england have been haunted for decades with memories of failed penalty shootouts. they'd never won one in three world cups, this therefore against colombia

their friend and photographer, martyn farr, talked about their achievement in thailand.an't help but feel emotional about it now. then, wow, you think, this is fantastic. those boys, after nine, ten days underground, and now they've got the best guys there are. sojohn they've got the best guys there are. so john and rick, they've got the best guys there are. sojohn and rick, you know, they are calm, they are very connected, they are very organised, extremely disciplined, and consummate professionals. it's not clear yet how the boys can be brought out. the thai authorities are pumping as much water as they can from the caves, but more rain is on the way. as we've seen, the cave network that the boys are trapped in makes the rescue mission particularly complicated. our science correspondent, victoria gill, has been considering the options for getting them out safely. what was meant to be an adventure has become an international rescue mission. and what's not yet clear is just how that mission, to bring the 12 boys and their football coach safely to the surface, will be car

martyn farr, a fellow cave diver and friend of rick stanton and john volanthen told us why the thai authorities. john, unfortunately, was cold to a coal—mining incident here in south wales, a few years before that in 2014, rick and john were called to a major incident in france, where they attempted to recover a french cave diver. in 2004, rick was responsible for rescuing a party of british cavers from a flooded cave in mexico. to these guys have got a tremendous track record, they are very efficient, extremely competent and they exemplify the utmost professionalism. that was martin talking about his friends after those remarkable scenes yesterday. the group are still trapped in people on the ground are trying to make the decision of how and when to get them out. we will keep you up—to—date. a roman catholic archbishop in australia has been sentenced to 12 months house arrest for covering up child sexual abuse. the archbishop of adelaide, philip wilson, remained silent as a magistrate delivered the decision not to send him to jail. hywel griffith reports. will you now resign? refusing to repen

their friend and photographer martyn farr talked about their achievement in thailand.know what, i feel emotional about it now but then, well, you think this is fantastic. those boys have had a hard nine, ten days underground. and now they have the best guys there. sojohn and rick, you know, they are culled, they are very collect it, they are very organised, extremely if the plan. for calm. contract professionals. it is not clear yet how the boys can be brought out. the thai authorities are pumping as much water as they can from the caves but more rain is on the way. live to california now and dr paul auerbach, professor of emergency medicine at stanford university. professor, i know you're also editor of a textbook on wilderness medicine. what most concerns you about the group public situation now? the tough part now, which is obvious to everyone, is that these survivors need to be brought out of the cave so need to be brought out of the cave so this is going to be a complicated rescue at best. it will be dangerous. it will be highly tech call. and so, that is really t

theirfriend and photographer, martyn farr, talked about their achievement in thailand.. but then, wow, a u think, this is fantastic. those boys have had an ardent —— a hard nine, ten days underground and they have the best quys underground and they have the best guys there. sojohn and rick, they are calm, they are very collected, they are organised, extremely disciplined. it is not clear yet how the boys can be brought out. the thai authorities are pumping as much water as they can from the caves but more rain is on the way. a murder inquiry has been launched following the death of a 6—year—old school girl on the isle of bute. alesha macphail was reported missing from her home in rothesay on monday. her body was later found by police in the grounds of an abandoned hotel. the headlines on bbc news: joy for fans as england go through to the quarterfinals, beating columbia 4—3 on penalties in their first ever world cup shootout. a woman who worked at the countess of chester hospital has been arrested on suspicion of murdering eight babies and attempting to kill another six

martyn farr knows the pair and is an expert himself.going "very well. this is what he told my colleague. the boys are starting to come out of the cave. that will be a massive morale booster. it obviously is an indicator that things are going very well at this point in time. clearly it is a big ask for everyone involved. we all understand how critical this weather window, well, it is shrinking as we speak, but the right people are doing the right things, and i am optimistic that things will carry on like this. you mentioned the weather. clearly you have some reservations. you have the experience. what are your primary concerns? like everyone else watching the programme, we all know that if you have a torrential downpour, we have seen images of the current in the cave today. that would be a major problem for everyone if that rainfall intensifies in the very near future. for all of us, in fact, for the world, this has been a crash course in cave diving. we have heard about the treacherous conditions the boys are having to face. for a child

martyn farr is a fellow cave diver and friend of the men — he joins us live from crickhowell in waleson numerous trips, seen the way they operate, i am completely confident that every input they have made will be massively beneficial to the operation as a whole. how was it that they were found and joined in to the rescue effort? how were they found? to the rescue effort? how were they found ? well, to the rescue effort? how were they found? well, they have experienced numerous incidents like this in the past. john, unfortunately, was cold toa past. john, unfortunately, was cold to a coal—mining incident here in south wales, a few years before that in 2014, rick and john were cold to a major incident in france, where they attempted to recover a french cave diver. in 2004, rick was responsible for rescuing a party of british cavers from a flooded cave in mexico. so these guys have a very good track record, efficient, and the exemplify the utmost professionalism. and bravery. they are going into situations that obviously they are very equipped to handle, but nonetheless they do not know