nevertheless it indicates that we have begun to believe in our state, thank you, thank you, but martynivnainterlocutor in this part of the program was ella libanova , director of the institute of demography and social research of the national academy of sciences of ukraine, academician of the national academy of sciences of ukraine and we are discussing, but here the democratic democratic demographic situation, which is now quite important from the point of view of the further development of our state, is of great importance, what will the population really be ukraine after the war well, of course, we must clearly understand that we are discussing all these figures, they are primarily related to the analysis of the fact that the property will run out quickly, that we will run out there in a year, in two, three, five years of the war, you can count the minus there are 3-5 million and there will really be problems of who will live on the territory of the ukrainian state, not from the point of view of who will remain there and who will rebuild if there is no own population , all this creates