know who's got the right claim and who controls that area, our money will not go there, and i think marv odom made it quite clear in his statement. >> let me state for one minute, mr. chairman, on the issue of capital, what it takes, whether it's to dig up rare earth minerals or whether to go for oil and gas and whether it is to make other advances and the capital doesn't come if it isn't safe. money goes where it's safe and where it can be profitable and where it's protected and so when we're talking about certainty, we're talking about a form of protection that we know we can get the permits and of course, we can always say we have a great navy even though we're shrinking the size of the navy and we haven't done sequestration yet and all of that sort of thing. i think it's a lot cheaper, and i think it's a lot smarter. i think it's a lot more credible in the courts of the world to be a party to this treaty. and we lose side of the fact that when we're on the outside that we'll tell them we have great, massive navy power and we'll do -- if we ever came to that, i think we can, but i think it