marvin gaye. john legenlennon. bob marley.am cooke. >> songs that really touch people deeply. >> i have come to a place where i call it the sound of maternity. bob dylan calls it eternal young. i think there are certain songs that help you live without fear. when you are living in fear, you invest in violence. fear is expensive, just ask president bush. inn love. and what marvin gaye says is true, war is not the answer, only love can conquer hate. these things are not cliches, they are truisms. if we implement them, you will see a transformation in the bay area, richmond, oakland, the mission. all places where we need to dismantle the violence, the fear, the unnecessary pain that goes on. >> you are a person that has lived a pretty miraculous life. pretty extraordinary what you have accomplished, the range of people you have been able to touch with your music. you chose a beautiful word in spanish for your foundation -- miracle. could you talk about what the foundation has been able to do? >> we are able to empower and give yo

this is the same thing that happened to marvin gaye and his father and that's why marvin gaye's father shot him and killed him. my father would have killed me as well. >> host: because your mother intervened and said you should go out of here. >> guest: absolutely, get away. >> host: what's interesting here is you describe yourself as technically having been in jail for 20 years, 66 to 85. but the violence and the whole world of hatred you describe you say that has been for 40 plus year until you discover yourself. let me read again from your book. this is an interesting moment because you say you're going to be 74-years-old. you've been in jail, but you also write year i was a prizefighter at one point, a soldier at one point, a conflict, a jailhouse lawyer at one point. since you were executive director of a group the was called association defense of the wrong we convicted. today you're the ceo of the innocent international group and this is if i had to choose an epitaph to be carved on to my tombstone, remember this is reubin hurricane carter speaking, it would simply read he was j

only black folks in a white neighborhood the party that they were at, they were playing salsa, marvin gaye, and we were hanging out after the birthday party. we got caught up in a situation where the police had been called for shots fired. we happened to be the only black people there, they got us and put us in jail. that was the first day that you mentioned. the long and short of it is, i was in my second year of law school at the time. i am reading all these things about criminal procedure, criminal law. the stuff that is on the books is not what is happening on the streets. don't i have some kind of rights? miranda or something? they just did what they want and it was the first time that somebody had taken my body and had physically done something with me -- except raimondi, a different category. [laughter] they put me and handcuffs and they did all of that. so i wrote about it. my lawyer, she was also a teacher. she encouraged me to tell my story. the next week, the assignment in class, it was to talk about -- writing about an experience of injustice. i was ready to send this. i did no

this is the same thing that happened to marvin gaye and his father, and that's why marvin gaye's fathershot him -- >> host: kills him. >> guest: and had it not been from my mother, my father would have shot me as well. >> host: because your mother intervened. >> guest: get away. >> host: you just described yourself as, technically, having been in jail for 20 years, '66 to '85, but the violence and the whole world of hatred that you describe, you say that's really been a jail for you for 40-plus years until you overred yourself. >> guest: oh, yes. >> host: let me read again from your book. this is an interesting moment because you say you're going to be 74 years old. >> guest: yes. >> host: you've been in jail, but you also write here, i was a prize fighter at one point, i was a soldier at one point, i was a convict at one point, i was a jailhouse lawyer at one point. says here you were executive directer of a group that was called association and defense of the wrongly convicted at one point, today you're ceo of the innocence international group. >> guest: yes. >> host: and it says, but

and i said, she says he wants marvin gaye and -- and he's like, what are you doing?'m trying to put the r& b sauce on it. and he said, sing it. and after it sung it, said this song ain't got no sauce on it. and i left and did a bad movie. i came back after my career was on life support. and when i got back, i went to miami and they said, you know that song you fronted on. it's number one right now. and it went from that to -- ♪ she took my money when i'm in need ♪ so from that, that's how i got back into music. >> jimmy: that is really unbelievable. you don't know kanye at the time. i like how he is ordering you around after about five minutes after walking into the house with his back pac on. >> yeah, but, you know what? he was a kid then. and he was a little nervous about his career. jay-z was there. puff was there. and you know, now -- >> jimmy: yeah, you get all the big guys to sing on the album. justin timberlake is on there. with you. >> yeah, j.t. >> jimmy: and t.i. >> yeah, t.i. some. >> jimmy: and soulja boy. do cow call them guys and ask them -- >> rick ros

this is the same thing that happened to marvin gaye and his father and killed him. and if not for my mother my father would have killed me. >> host: your mother said get out of here and go away. >> what is interesting, you just describe yourself technically having been in jail 20 years. but the violence and the whole world of nature that you describe it really has been in jail over 40 years until you discover yourself. this is an interesting moment because you say you will be 74 years old. ben in jail, but i was a prizefighter, a soldier, a convict, a jailhouse lawyer lawyer, executive director of a group called assn of the wrongly convicted today ceo of the innocents international group. but if i had to choose the epitaph to be carved on my tombstone, remember this is rubin hurricane carter speaking, it would simply read it was just enough. this game because somebody in a high school audience asked what you would want for your epitaph and bob dylan wrote a song about you. nelson mandela wrote wrote a foreword to the book i know he loves boxing or talk to me about h

this is the same thing that happened to marvin gaye and his father and that is why his father shot him, killed him. my father would have killed me as well. >> host: now what's interesting here is you just describe yourself as technically having been in jail for 20 years, 66 to 85. but the violence and the whole world of hatred you describe you say that's been in jail for you for 40 plus years until discovered for yourself. let me read again from the book. this is an interesting moment because you say you're going to be 74-years-old. you've been in jail but you also write i was a prizefighter at one point, a soldier, a conflict at one point, jailhouse lawyer at one point. it says here you're the executive director of a group that was called association defense of the wrongly convicted at one point. today you're the ceo of the innocent international group. and it says but if i had to choose an epitaph to be on my tombstone it would read just enough. this came because somebody in high school student -- bob dylan wrote a song about you. nelson mandela has written a foreword to this book an

this is the same thing that happened to marvin gaye and his father and that is why his father shot him and killed him and hadn't of been for my mother my father would have killed me as well. >> host: now what's interesting here is you just described yourself as technically having been in jail for 20 years, 66 to 85 and the violence and the whole world of hatred that you described you say that's been in jail for you for 40 plus years until you discover yourself. let me read again from your book this is an interesting moment because you say you're going to be 74-years-old. you write i was a prizefighter at one point, soldier at one point, conduct at one point, jailhouse lawyer at one point. you see were executive director of a group that was called the association of defense of the wrongly convicted at one point and today you are the ceo of the innocent international group and is is if i had to choose an epitaph to be carved on my tombstone remember this is reubin hurricane carter speaking it would simply read he was just enough. this came because somebody in high school audience asked w

this is the same thing that happened to marvin xaye -- gaye and his father. killed him. and if it hadn't been for my mother, my father would have killed me as well. >> host: because your mother intervened. >> guest: absolutely. get away. >> host: now, what's interesting here is you just described yourself as, technically, having been in jail for 20 years, '66 to '85, but the violence and the whole world of hatred that you tribe, you say that's -- describe, you say that's really been a jail for you for 40-plus years until you really discovered yourself. >> guest: oh, yes. >> host: let me read again from your moment. this is an interesting moment because you say you're going to be 74 years old. >> guest: yes. >> host: you've been in jail. but you also write i was a prize fighter at one point, i was a soldier, i was a convict at one point, i was a jailhouse lawyer. says here you were executive directer of a group that was called association and defense of the wrongly convicted at one point, today you're ceo of the innocence international group. >> guest: yes. >> host: and i