and we're joined by rabbi marvin goodman. and with him is elliott lavein. they help organizations do fundraising through the state of california. marvin and elliott, welcome. so the community legacy project is a long phrase for what? >> it's a project that we started in the bay area about a year ago, a little over a year ago. and it is funded by a national group as well as the federation, a group called the ravine partners that provide funding to start innovative projects around the country in the jewish community. they're funding fives communities to start a legacy program within each of the communities. and they've helped that happen by doing a lot of funding themselves. so it is a project, as you said, to help institutions learn how to raise money in different ways. >> and it is to encourage supporters of organization to actually name that organization in their estate plan? >> right. it's an opportunity for people that have been making donations to organizations and supporting organizations with their time and financial resources for years. it's an opport