just a snippet from somebody named marvin kalb. you may be wondering, of you have a long memory, why marvin kalb, who was cbs's chief diplomatic correspondent, in 1980, suddenly switched over to nbc. now, the true story, if he wants to contribute me he can but these are in his words. in 1975, i was out of work for eight months bus of a bad back. bill small, the bureau chief of cbs, used to visit me at home. after a couple months i said to him, take me off salary because i'm not doing anything for your network. i'm just lying here. and he said, no. and he was going to keep me on full salary. i said, do it on half. nope, full salary until you get batter, and that was eight months, and i never forgot that. and in 1980, when he became president of nbc, and he called me and he said, i'd like you to come over here, i knew that i owed bill, so i went. that the story. by the way, his brother, who i had hoped was going to be here tonight, we exchanged e-mails today, bernie -- he also went with -- to nbc and he told me he really did it to be

joining us now, cal thomas, syndicated columnist, also with us, marvin kalb, former moderator for "meetss." both are fox news contributors. generally, cal, it seems to me if you read the newspapers these days, they sum up the iraq war as a mistake because the weapons of mass destruction were never found. give us your take on that. >> you know, the genesis of this, of course, was the bush administration leaked to "the new york times" this story about aluminum tubes and saddam on the way to weapons of mass destruction, and that was the genesis for attacking saddam hussein. look, this is extremely difficult. surely there is too close a relationship between too many in the press and too many in the government. in matter what administration is in power. first of all, they don't like covering foreign policy stories anymore. most of the bureaus have shut down around the world. they rely on stringers. we've got a lot of propaganda coming into the american media, and i think that while the ten-year anniversary is important, it's more important for the media to look into the fact that this isn't