political reform and economic reform. >> marwan, what about that. gerges says this has to be an arab debate and arabs have to push this ideology. as rula points out, you still arab countries that have reactionary interpretations of islam, very puritan cal interpretations that they have exported. is that changing when you look at -- it's one thing to oppose jihadie terrorist groups. but are they taking on these very puritan cal reactionary views of their religion which exclude non-believers, which exclude foreigners and in a sense, encourage a certain kind of militants. >> we have two human being wakeup calls. one the arab uprising brought by a sense because people were marginalized, excluded, not participants in the decision making process. and two, in isis a radical barbaric radical ideology that's trying to speak on behalf of arabs and muslims when it has nothing to do with them. these are huge wake-up calls into we all need to -- both governments and the general public need to internalize the lessons from. any time we talk exclusionist policies,

i think we'll see even more support for jordan's role. >> ifill: do you agree with marwan mausher then that the mood has been misjudged because of the cultural war that's under way and the ideological one rather than anything having to do with islam? >> yeah, i think that's probably true. at the same time, though, there has been, you know, a kind of underground here of supporters for isis, especially young men system of them fairly vocal. i think you'll be hard-pressed tomorrow to find anybody speaking out on behalf of isis, the islamic state anymore here, and there will be a real kind of reckoning to come. >> ifill: marwan mausher, why the increase in bar -- barbarity, to use president obama's words? we weren't immune to beheadings but this seems to be a step beyond, several steps beyond. >> i see it as a sign of weakness. when you kill someone in such a violent manner it proves you're not able to get results by other means. whatever the case, this is clearly a group that does not belong to humanity with which no compromise is possible. >> how do you stop them from doing this? >> you

marwan was the tart of a raid that ended in the death of dozens of commandos. there was a report on the end of a police hunt that lasted a decade. >> reporter: he was one of south-east asia's most wanted men. known as marwan. he was a member of a group tied. they set a bounty on his head. he was a u.s. educated engineer who spent time in afghanistan and pakistan. wanted for the murder of a member of parliament in malaysia he was one of the suspects behind the bombing of tourists in bali in indonesia. he has evaded arrest by hiding in the southern philippines. >> this woman has been following the movements and says it was the perfect haven. >> zon eeshia malaysia the southern philippines were similar enough. he spoke the languages, he had three filipino wives, won whom was the of the leader. so this means marrying into their extended family. he was a funder distributed money among the communities. he relied on them they relied on him. that is immediate personal loyalties. his death came at a heavy price. 44 members of the special farmed forces were killed. >> it

marwan spent time in training camps in afghanistan and pakistan. waned for the murder of a christian member of parliament in malaysia, we was also one of the suspects behind the bombing of tourists in bally and indonesia. for over a decade he has evaded arrest by hiding in the southern philippines. maria has been following his movements and said now provided the perfect haven. >> indonesia malaysia, the southern philippines were similar enough he spoke the languages, he had at least three filipino wives. one of whom was the wife of the leader of the organization. it means marrying into their extended families. he was a funder. he distributed money freely among the communities. he relied on them, but they relied on him. that's immediate personal loyalties. >> but his death came at a heavy price. 44 members of the special armed forces were killed. >> it was a successful operation, but it's tragic at the expense of loss of 44 lives. what we know now we could have launched that particular operation in a different way. perhaps the same objective but per

let's dig deeper with our counterterrorism expert philip mudd james reece, foreign minister marwan andreign minister. what's jordan going to do? >> i think the king is going to go back to a very united country and that's the most important development, even more important than the retaliation. we saw this situation ten years ago when another predecessor of isis bombed a hotel and killed 60 people. i suspect they will be even more united now. >> what about this earth-shattering response revenge, revenge. we see these protesters and they want revenge. what does that mean? >> one can probably expect intensified air strikes. i don't think we'll get into sending, you know ground troops. there is certainly a public call for the isis terrorists in jordanian prisons who have already been sentenced to death to be taken and for that sentence to be implemented. >> to be executed right away? >> to be executed. >> what about the woman terrorist, sajida al resh shawrishawi. do you think they will execute her? what is president obama going to do now? he says the u.s. strategy is to ultimately degrade

the man they were hunting known as marwan is one of the fbi's most wanted terrorists. >> for our second story the paper zuma should use a question-and-answer session to reassure the nation that work is being done to address problems. last week during his state of the nation address zuma giggled during a tense moment and dismissed opposition members as being weak and lack substance. >> finally we go to ryad, assessing the strategy against i.s.i.l. the meeting of course coincides with president obama's summit on countering violence extremism and the main talks in ryad will be held tomorrow. >>> the lunar new year, billions will be celebrating. >> but there's an important question to be answered. will it be the year of the goat or the year of the sheep? the story behind that debate coming up next on al jazeera america. >> and a treasure hunter's dream come true. ancient gold coins discovered by chance off the coast of israel. israel. >> i think we're into something that's bigger than us... >> that's the pain that your mother feels when you disrespect her son... >> me being here is defying

he's identified as zulkifli bin hir, also known as "marwan." the f.b.i. said today that d.n.a. indicate he died in a pre-dawn raid last month, on muslim rebels in the southern philippines. 44 police commandos also died. bin hir is linked to the 2002 night club bombing in bali, indonesia, that killed 202 people, including seven americans. >> ifill: the man who's likely to be the new pentagon boss signaled today he'd favor giving guns to ukraine, to fight pro- russian rebels. that came amid signs the white house may reverse its opposition to taking that step. ashton carter addressed the issue at his senate confirmation hearing. >> i very much am inclined in that direction mr. chairman, because i think we need to support ukrainians in defending themselves. the nature of those arms, i can't say right now because i don't have-- i haven't conferred with our military leaders or ukrainian leaders. >> ifill: after a lunch break, carter partially qualified his statement by saying that sanctions on russia should continue as the main center of the u.s. effort. he's expected to win easy con

marwan, your head of strategy was talking about this. an acceleration of divestment in 2015.have critical mass in the defense sector? tom enders: we still have a huge critical mass. many people do not see -- olivia: we are going to leave it there. guy johnson speaking with tom enders, the ceo of airbus. airbus boosts production of the a320 single aisle plane. tom: he dodged the carrier war with the gulf states airlines. tim of bnp paribas, you live on airplanes. can you tell a difference between an airbus and a boeing. >> i was on a 787, it is nicer. more moisture in the air. olivia: lighter material so you feel more refreshed. there a bathroom window in the new boeing dreamliner's. we look at the stories shaping the day. tom, you got to go to radio. tom: south of washington cpac. a lot of people make fun of it, even conservatives. it's a big deal. an important part of america. brendan: look past the silly costumes and see a dress rehearsal for the election. olivia: we are going to say goodbye to you. "surveillance" with tom keene and mike mckee will continue on radio. brando

he is marwan lahoud airbus' chief of strategy, let's call him that. good morning.'s talk a little bit about the headlines this morning. we got a beat on the top line and that is great news. let's talk about what is happening with how you are going to build airplanes on the civil side. you are going to be upgrading the number of a320's. your competitor, starts with a b is going with 52. talk us through the dynamics of how this is going to work? >> we have always been very prudent when it comes to increasing the rate of production. this is what we have done in the past. this is what we are doing right now. we need to ponder the commercial dynamic and our ability to deliver against that dynamic. the decision to go to 50 was assessed, analyzed, pondered and was taken because we have enough orders, enough overbooking, and we truly believe that we will follow that increase in rate both in our factories and in our supplies. we are assessing further our approach to avoid ups and downs. we owed that to our suppliers and our employees. we don't like too hectic evolutions. vo

stresses and that will prevent a lot of excessive force complaints in violence and other things that marwanwe call this culture of policing. >> my final question isn't particular to sergeant orr. you talk about the crisis at sandy hook elementary and volunteering time to relieve some of those officers. certainly a great deal of the conversation of ferguson was about the length of the shift in the frequency with which officers had to be on the ground in a conflict that created an incredibly high stress situation. as both an office who has had this experience over leaving officers in crisis and also as a union representative what is your thinking around policies that would dictate only a certain number of hours actually worked in these mass demonstration situations and to the question asked before should those policies expand to folks that maybe having performance related mental-health struggles. should they be limited from participating in those kinds of activities? >> that's an interesting point. i think the current model that i have seen in our region is 16 hours is the max you can work. t