thank you. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ >>> we are back with marwan muasher, rula jebreal.e ask how the president he a remarks instruction you. very simple recap, the president said we shouldn't get on our high horse when we think about islam and terrorism. there were a lot of bad things done in the name of christianity the inquisitions slavery was sometimes justified that way. you're a scholar of the middle east but also a christian. i wondered how this whole issue struck you. >> fareed, obama got it right. isis are the crusaders, today's crusaders. they are slaughtering in the name of religion. they have a twisted interpretation of faith. like the crusaders, as you know fareed the crusaders did not only kill muslims. they killed jews. they killed eastern christians. isis will keep focusing on the few western victims. remember the overwhelming number of victims are muslims. not just even minority, shiites, yaz yazitis and christians, sunni skints and iraqis. but the question is the crusaders and isis, the reality is isis has to be deconstructed. these twisted interpretatio

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nordland of the new york times who is on the ground in amman, and former jordanian foreign minister marwan muasher. he's now vice president for studies at the carnegie endowment for international peace. welcome to you both. rod norland, we are now learning that, in fact we're hearing that this jordanian pilot was killed a month ago even though negotiations were under way just until we're told this week. is there some sense now that this was nothing that was ever going to be fixed or that this was futile? >> well, i think it's clear that jordan's position, they had to show proof of life, was informed by their belief that he was already dead and they weren't going to release this terrorist, sajida al-rishawi, from prison if they thought that he really was dead. that now appears to have been the case. >> ifill: was his family still hopeful that he was alive? >> they were really hopeful. they were hopeful up until a few seconds before word came that this video was out showing his death in this really horrible manner, burned to death in a cage. as it happens, my colleague was sitting with the mother an