first mary beth stein and then charlie livingston in 10 minutes. mary beth stein is the associate professor of journalism international affairs at the george washington university in washington, d.c. and she received her ph.d. and has received several fellowships and scholarships with her various studies of germany. she's really an expert on current east german affairs and german affairs and german literature and also on the berlin wall and all that's around it so i'm very pleased to have her today. i just remembered about 11 years ago we had our first panel in atlanta, georgia. i'm happy to be with you again and we look forward to your comments and then i will introduce mr. livingston, thank yo you. >> thank you. >> one of the great paradox of history that the berlin wall was built and torn down for the very same reason, to keep east germans from escaping the gdr or the german democratic republic. the former event was carefully planned for on an early sunday morning in august with prior approval of soviet premier khrushchev and the warsaw pact cou

i am going to -- mary beth wallace. i'm going to read a statement on -- by ruth and stuart craig. dear board of appeals. we currently live in the upper peninsula of michigan. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. i don't think we should be receiving testimony from family members. >> i've read this letter. it is a letter in the packet. i believe that letter is in the packet. it is also not necessary. if it is in the packet and i have read it. i suspect the commissioners have read it. if you would like toest isify as yourself. -- to testify as yourself, that is of course an option. >> well, i would. i would like to say that i really hope that this can -- that their project can go through as planned. we have a very close neighborhood. we -- its -- i think that the plans look like they would fit right in with what has been done. we did this in our -- at our house several years ago and it is a great way to keep families together and i hope that it can go through. thank you. >> i have a question. where is your house? >> we're 400 day street on the corner. >> and you added a floor? >> yes. >> a

mary beth, how long has this been happening?as really infiltrated in the schools since the 1930's, i mean the people who are in charge of developing curriculum, the people who train our teachers have really been leftists for a very long time. >> how can you teach american history, for example, and not hail capitalism? how can you, according to a recent survey, when children are asked, do they favor capitalism or socialism, 38% favor capitalism and 33% favor socialism over capitalism. >> and 30% have no opinion which is scary, too. so roughly 2/3 of young people don't know why capitalism is best but then again, in many classrooms what is being used as the history curriculum is the history of america so there's a very strong leftist influence that's changing the message in our history. >> try to explain this. if the country is roughly 50/50 and the growing party is the independent party, how is it that such a majority are in the teaching profession? is it unions? >> i'm not really sure about that. what we see is every place where

. >> hi, mary beth sheraton from the "washington post."can you give us is sense at this point of how much longer it will -- the sort of conflict is likely to go on before gadhafi leaves? i mean, three months, six months, a year? >> i wouldn't want to put a date on it. but i can tell you what the tnc hopes to be the sort of endgame. what they envision is increasing pressure on the gadhafi regime such that more and more of the leadership flee. and such that gadhafi will give up. and the pressure is political, you know, he has increasing isolation and it's isolation and as the rebels come from tripoli from the mountains up to the coast. >> if i could follow up also, it's been reported that the u.s. had suggested in its talks with the gadhafi government the possibility of gadhafi staying in the country. is that something that you're still willing to offer to them? >> well, our position is that it's a decision for the libyan people and their future government where gadhafi resides. >> in your talks with the tnc, have you gotten a sense that the

attorney for western pennsylvania, mary beth buchanan, why stockton never testified, and was never charged stockton was sick, had suffered several strokes and was unable to travel. after our initial phone call, buchanan never talked to us again and at a news conference in erie, the current u.s. attorney, david hickton, wasn't forthcoming either. >> what about mr. stockton? what can you tell us about his status? will he ever be prosecuted for this? >> we're not in a position to comment on in mr. stockton. >> douglas, marjorie diehl armstrong's attorney, says there is good reason the u.s. attorney and the fbi want to keep quiet about jay stockton. >> do you he is the one person who got away with this? >> yes, he got immunity from the government. free and clear. convicted sex offender multitime sex offender. the government felt that he was the least involved person. and so they gave him immunity. >> they shouldn't have given him immunity. he didn't deserve immunity. he deserved, he is the guilty one that killed my brother. he deserved to be brought to justice. >> stockton has been featured on

and he -- he made a quote about ronald julian and mary beth hurd and myself.very nice quote that followed it. and you can -- it used to be online. he called me mr. loaf. and i'd gone to joe pap when we were there, and i said to him, joe, since i'm doing shakespeare, maybe -- maybe we shouldn't use meat loaf. and joe looks at many and it took me a few seconds to understand what he was saying. and he looked at me and said what? you think if bill wasn't alive today, he wouldn't use meatloaf? and he walked off. i'm watching him go and i'm going, who's bill? bill who? oh, william shakespeare. bill. okay. and so, that -- he -- and he was right. because in "as you like it" they have really -- >> i mean, meat loaf or michael or marvin has had a pretty extraordinary life. crashed in a car which rolled over, struck on the head during a shot put event. >> the carrolling thing -- >> hang on. you were shot in the head on a shot put event. >> it was a practice. but it was 62 feet with a 12-pound shot. i actually have -- i won't make you do this, but i do have a dent in my s

and he -- he made a quote about ronald julian and mary beth hurd and myself.a very nice quote that followed it. and you can -- it used to be online. he called me mr. loaf. and i'd gone to joe pap when we were there, and i said to him, joe, since i'm doing shakespeare, maybe -- maybe we shouldn't use meat loaf. and joe looks at me and it took me a few seconds to understand what he was saying. and it took me a few seconds to understand what he was saying. and he looked at me and he said, "what? do you think if bill wasn't alive today he wouldn't use meatloaf?" and he walked off. and he walked away. and i'm watching him go. and i'm going, "who's bill?" [ laughter ] >> bill who? and i went, oh. william shakespeare. bill. going going, okay. so -- and he was right. because in "as you like it" shakespeare -- >> i mean, meatloaf or michael or marvin. you've had a pretty extraordinary life. i was doing a little roll call of near-death experiences you've had. crashed in a car which rolled over. struck in the head during a shot put event. >> the car-rolling thing was rea