little detail, and i won't go too much into detail, because i know we're short on time, but mary church terrell, of the national system situation of colored women, she was a e. r. a. supporter. her organization endorsed e. r. a.. but mary -- who was a well-known civil rights activists during the 1930s and 40s, she opposed the e. r. a.. she was more aligned with the liberal protectionist stance. she was supporter of the women status bill, which was a protectionist measure to stamp out the e. r. a.. then we also have raced -- racist attitudes permeating both positions. you have someone like florence kelly who is a social reformer. she was a big e. r. a. opponent, testifying in congress in the 1920s saying something to the effect of, if the e. r. a. was to pass, it would mean that black men and white women would have the same rights. just a very racially charged argument to try to flare up peoples opinions. then you also have people on the protectionist side, like esther peterson, and representative emmanuel celler, who hated the e. r. a., but also were very strong -- we're very strong supporters