i double majored in english and that's where i got to know the delightful mary claytor. i went to new york for a few years and people in my industry are encouraged to do and when i got there, there was a sense i had begun to develop as a student, but that really came to a point in the more rarefied spaces i encountered in new york city including columbia university where i went to graduate school, a powerful-- palpable sense of where i came from somehow in those places and maybe even in the american story that we tell ourselves, thinking like i'm looking around and there is no one from where i'm from. there is no one who, you know was in gaul-- involved in agriculture let alone rural life and so that was a formative experience in i think that in that moments-- maybe someone can help me i can't remember whose quote this is, but it's like they didn't become a kansas and until i went to new york. [laughter] i remember like-- i was like the kid in school that as i said i was very ambitious, straight a kid, very bookish. i had goals and i was kind of on the warpath of the cob