mary dyer, wife of william dyer, was put to death in the town of boston with the cruel hand as the martyrsere in queen mary's time. i have two pictures. later artists have painted these of mary on her way to execution. tell me which one is more accurate. >> the one where [indiscernible] kevin: the one on the right? why not this one? [laughter] kevin: why is that not in keeping with what you just read or heard? why is this one more accurate? >> the one on the left looks defeated. she is dying for a cause. she would not look defeated doing the right thing. kevin: i agree. i think this is a much more accurate description of what we understand of her character, from her behavior, from the things she said herself. ok. i told you about roger williams. i told you about anne hutchinson. i told you about mary dyer. all 3 ran afoul of how things were supposed to be in massachusetts bay. they disagreed over the issue of religious freedom, religious liberty. what am i free to believe, to espouse? it is not because they are being arbitrary. is not because they are being cruel for cruelty's sake. rememb