>> mary ellen, you talked about the chaotic crime scene. the idea that someone would burn down their house, that seems to be an indication of kind of no way out, not going back. >> it does. there's multiple reasons we see that. another reason and maybe one of the primary reasons here could be to destroy evidence and by delaying identification of the victims' bodies he thought that would give him time and distance. the problem with that thinking, though is when you start a fire there are large flames the fire department is going to respond more quickly than if he quietly and secretly got away but he chose not to do that. so that would suggest to me based on that and other things that his thinking was much more impulsive and reckless and that kind of thinking will only deteriorate. >> i should -- paul vercammen said the lead on the vehicle did not pan out. that's bad news there. that was the first bit of an actual lead they had. i'm going to talk to the sheriff later on. mary ellen, you made an important point earlier. i want to go in to more

mary ellen o tool. breaking news a vehicle was spotted. the vehicle believed to match the description of this suspect. the lead has not panned out. that is a setback for this case. authorities are wanting the public's help on this, appealing to anybody out there who has seen mr. dimaggio or hannah to call 911, call operators. that is the suspect, jim dimaggio right there, believed to be -- to have with him, this girl, anna and possibly a young boy, an 8-year-old, her brother. again, remains were also found in the house earlier and dna is being tested on that, on those remains. twitter us. coming up next, an al qaeda conference call or group chat that sparked the global terror alert. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] susan writes children's books. when she's happy, she writes about bunnies. when she's sad, she writes about goblins. [ balloon pops, goblin growling ] she wrote a lot about goblins after getting burned in the market. but she found someone to talk to and gained the confidence to start investing again. ♪ and that's what you

we're joined by mary ellen and mark. this story is obviously horrific. when you saw hanna's dad deliver the message, urging her to make a run for it if she got the chance. what went through your mind? it's an important message that he try to get to her and to the man believed to be holding her. >> sure, i think he did a tremendous job. first, he appealed directly to the kidnapping for her cause and then he gave her an action plan, and i think that it's very important that people and she listen to this because she doesn't have to just wait around to be rescued. what she has to do is find ways to keep herself alive until that moment comes when she can ex kate herself from the situation. that could take days, as it took my friend missy sanchez or years like the women in cleveland. she has to find a way to stay alive and affect her escape when she has an opportunity. >> mary ellen, what does your gut tell you about this case, this suspect? from your experience, what causes someone to do something like this? >> there is a couple things here. looking at the ca

>> i agree 100% with mary ellen is saying. we're seeing the human being really in the worst form this sbt as bad as humans can get. he's not only a monster. he is also sick. he may have also had sex addiction, and people with section addiction will distort their victims. in other words, i've seen sex addicts that tell me that a 4-year-old was coming on to them, what were they supposed to do -- >> but the idea -- >> go ahead -- >> but the idea of this guy blaming an addiction, when he said that, you know, you just -- it's like what? give me a break -- >> yeah -- >> he has a porn addiction that led him to this? >> it's ridiculous and an explanation for some of the things you try to get your ahead around, how could he say this? it doesn't diminish about what mary ellen said this being a full fledged psychopath. >> let's play this. >> i believe i am addicted to porn to the point that it really makes me impulsive and i just don't realize that what i'm doing is wrong. i know it's not an excuse. i'm not trying to make excuses here. >

mary ellen o'toole, did he act today like you would have expected from someone like him, someone who has done the things he's done? i just want to play for our viewers something else he said about these women and how they got into his vehicle. let's play that. >> he is blaming the victims here, the survivors here. >> he's absolutely blaming the three survivors. he's taking no responsibility for his behavior. and that's very classic psychopathy. we were witnessing a classic psychopath. >> you have no doubt about that, that he's a psychopath. >> he's not out of touch from reality, the rules don't apply for him, and the hallmark again is this inability to empathize or feel guilt. it was all about him today, all about him. >> mary ellen, the forensic psychiatrist that the prosecution brought in, you know him, explain what he meant when he said there's no mental illness here. >> i do know him and have worked with him for years. what he meant by that was, there was no mental defect in this individual based on his opinion, and that meant that there is no debilitating mental illness that cau

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